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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
To: "David P. Reed" <dpreed@deepplum.com>,
	"David P. Reed" <dpreed@deepplum.com>
Cc: "Rich Brown" <richb.hanover@gmail.com>,
	"Valdis Klētnieks" <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu>,
	cerowrt-devel <cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] fq_codel is SEVEN years old today...
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 00:35:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lfz81x7b.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1557871532.754117608@apps.rackspace.com>

"David P. Reed" <dpreed@deepplum.com> writes:

> I wonder if an interesting project to design and pitch for CrowdSupply
> to fund would be a little board that packages sch_cake or something in
> the minimal hardware package that could sit between a 1 GigE symmetric
> port and either an asymmetric GigE or a symmetric 1 GigE connection
> into a 10 GigE switch. The key point is that it needs to support
> wire-rate forwarding with small packets of Gigabit throughput.
> Ideally, it also supports a dnsmasq NAT and wireguard optionally.
>  
> I know a Celeron with 2 GB of RAM can easily do it (because that is
> what I use). We know (well that's what you guys tell me) that the
> dinky MIPS processors are underpowered to handle sch_cake at such
> packet rates. The Linksys and Netgear and TP-link guys seem to see no
> market at all for any such thing. But I see it as a useful jellybean
> device if it could be cheap and simple.
>  
> Could maybe design, produce, and sell this for $100? No one else seems
> to want to make such a thing. I could just barely design and implement
> the board and get it made, but to be honest I'm better at spec'ing and
> prototyping than making manufacturable hardware designs. I suspect I
> could find someone to do the PCB design, layout and parts selection as
> a project.
>  
> The idea for this hardware "product" is to decouple this buffer
> management from the WiFi compatibility and driver mess, and make it
> easy for people, maybe to demonstrate that it could be a great
> product. Forget designing the packaging, negotiating a sales channel,
> etc. Just do what is needed to make a few thousand for the CrowdSupply
> market.
>  
> Thoughts?

It's a cool idea, and I'd certainly buy a couple to help the
crowdfunding ;)

Ideally, it would need to be self-configuring, though... I.e., something
like the IQRouter auto-measuring of the upstream bandwidth to tune the
shaper.

For reference, the GL.iNet routers are tiny and nicely packaged, and run
OpenWrt; they do have one with Gbit ports[0], priced around $70. I very
much doubt it can actually push a gigabit, though, but I haven't had a
chance to test it. However, losing the WiFi, and getting a slightly
beefier SoC in there will probably be doable without the price going
over $100, no?

-Toke

[0] https://www.gl-inet.com/products/gl-ar750s/

  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-14 22:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-14 12:16 [Bloat] " Rich Brown
2019-05-14 17:57 ` [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] " Valdis Klētnieks
2019-05-14 18:38   ` David P. Reed
2019-05-14 22:05     ` David P. Reed
2019-05-14 22:35       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2019-05-14 23:34         ` David P. Reed
2019-05-15  7:31           ` [Bloat] (no subject) Sebastian Moeller
2019-05-15  7:58             ` Dave Taht
2019-05-15  8:30               ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-05-16 22:01               ` Jonathan Foulkes
2019-05-18 22:36                 ` David P. Reed
2019-05-18 22:57                   ` Jonathan Morton
2019-05-18 23:06                     ` Jonathan Morton
2019-05-19  2:06                     ` David P. Reed
2019-05-16 16:40             ` Jonathan Foulkes
2019-05-16 22:12               ` Sebastian Moeller
2019-05-18 11:36           ` [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] fq_codel is SEVEN years old today Dave Taht

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