From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toke.dk (mail.toke.dk [45.145.95.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CE5D3B29D for ; Thu, 5 Nov 2020 06:48:11 -0500 (EST) From: Toke =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=20161023; t=1604576890; bh=2J185QWopzfrFU/5VjYuVC2oQHuH7XF1GczVqfpw1j0=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=GzDcaq2AeFWLcTX/yhj5UYyUQ6N2n46ulIiH8c0cChdTmGDDSBuURdFteToUIOvH1 h1iZ+FXFGCE3fq2xeUlNlT7slya0XLNWuKix+O7MG12hSMMxYTmlh5pm10SaAd1EfE wz8MaUXOxL4uGV56GY61zcHlvMqKcG567uKEbX0Z+n3vYxnxKYpmBjw8iy0pGwK5mc lThrwUEPWu7lwWbTqaNSbWkbVUqc9CTqN0ny8MEXre0IP/2HmiWXESZG3lpyLg4csB Kw4I8tjgzNY3nYL4gV03vvri6LusAjKgZTvm4dxDCMn4X9fE4Th0y5p3Bafg3aw1lE jZPnLt5zR4QEg== To: dave.collier-brown@indexexchange.com, bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net, Sam Westwood In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2020 12:48:09 +0100 X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87mtzwt47a.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [Bloat] We built a new bufferbloat test and keen for feedback X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2020 11:48:11 -0000 Dave Collier-Brown writes: > Tried it, and I really like the header and use of candle-charts! > > I got this: > > [cid:part1.81AC21AC.758FE66F@indexexchange.com] > > I'd like to be able to explain it to non-techie folks (my grandma, and also my IT team at work (;-)), so I wonder on their behalf... > > * Why is unloaded a large number, and loaded a small one? > * milliseconds sound like delay, so 111.7 ms sounds slower than 0.0 ms > * Is bloat and latency something bad? The zeroes are in green, does that mean they're good? > * Is max "bad"? In that case I'd call it "worst" and min "best" > * Is median the middle or the average? (no kidding, I've been asked that! I'd call it average) > * Is 25% twenty-five percent of the packets? (I suspect it's a percentile) > * What does this mean in terms of how many Skype calls I can have happening at my house? I have two kids, a wife and a grandmother, all of whom Skype a lot. > > Looking at the cool stuff in the banner, it looks like I can browse, > do audio calls, video calls (just one, or many?) but not streaming > (any or just 4k?) or gaming. Emphasizing that would be instantly > understandable by grandma and the kids. Also, holy cow, what's going on with your connection? The unloaded latency says 17/110/200 min/median/max RTT. Is that due to bad measurements, or do you have a lot of cross traffic and a really bloated link? :/ -Toke