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Subject: Re: [Bloat] vyatta in AT&T 5G gear
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Jan Ceuleers <jan.ceuleers@gmail.com> writes:

> On 16/10/2018 17:14, Dave Taht wrote:
>> And what was so wrong with the "everything as a file" model??
>
> On a single box - not a lot.
>
> On a 5G network, which might consist of 10^3 - 10^5 boxes you need
> aggregation and abstraction layers.

I was mostly just venting. Still... I'd hoped that the next generation
fios gear would get bufferbloat right... and with all the 5G boasting
about the 1ms mac, that they'd get queuing delay below 20ms also.

I was also hoping the DOCSIS 3.1 line cards would get it right...

It has been a disappointing day.