From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AAC83B2D9 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 15:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id u1SKKvV9005578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 28 Feb 2016 21:20:57 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/56228) with ESMTP id u1SKKvTx012571; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 21:20:57 +0100 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6230261FA2; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 21:20:57 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id qzvDkQBd_qcS; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 21:20:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from trurl.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (col75-1-78-194-40-74.fbxo.proxad.net [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E1A7161FA1; Sun, 28 Feb 2016 21:20:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 21:20:57 +0100 Message-ID: <87oab0d1sm.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Alan Jenkins Cc: Toke =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=F8iland-J=F8rgensen?= , bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net In-Reply-To: <56D303A6.4050302@gmail.com> References: <56BB8F05.2030006@mti-systems.com> <56D1F349.6040601@taht.net> <87egbx54zf.fsf@toke.dk> <56D303A6.4050302@gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Sun, 28 Feb 2016 21:20:57 +0100 (CET) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Sun, 28 Feb 2016 21:20:57 +0100 (CET) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 56D356A9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-Miltered: at potemkin with ID 56D356A9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 56D356A9.001 from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr/potemkin.univ-paris7.fr/null/potemkin.univ-paris7.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 56D356A9.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 56D356A9.001 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 56D356A9.000 on potemkin.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Subject: Re: [Bloat] review: Deployment of RITE mechanisms, in use-case trial testbeds report part 1 X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 20:20:59 -0000 >> Oh, and of course HAS is in itself a hack to work around badly managed >> queues in the network. In a nicely fairness queued world, we could do >> away with HAS entirely and just, y'know, stream things at the desired >> rate... Perhaps I'm missing something -- how do you to pick the right rate for a given user? > Nah. You do want to handle a variable number of users, without making > them fiddle with rates when that number changes. Right. -- Juliusz