[Bloat] the dslreports png

[Bloat] the dslreports png

[Dave Taht]

http://dfkrkqaqb1zsx.cloudfront.net/speedtest/cdn/377727.png

is showing the base latency without load. It would be more effective
if it showed the
latency with load.

-- 
Dave Täht
Open Networking needs **Open Source Hardware**

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+EricRaymond/posts/JqxCe2pFr67

Re: [Bloat] the dslreports png

[jb]

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I agree! but I don't want to rush. What latency should substitute? average?
median? latency during upload? download? both? should it be the excess over
idle ping, expressed as a multiplier? an absolute value?

Most people as in 98% of people who use this test do so without any
reference to instructions the forums or anything else and all of them
"expect" to see latency
pings that are similar to speedtest.net measure of how close the speed test
server is.

And I haven't even sorted out the latency bugs. I just now asked the nginx
development list why IE11 has problems doing http pings because it does
a weird two-step of high-normal-high-normal, but when talking to nginx only!
it behaves ok when talking to google.com.

There is a jsfiddle you can play with to see the problem (I hope!)
   http://jsfiddle.net/qe44nbwh/
change nginx.org to google.com, using IE11. (other browsers work fine)

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://dfkrkqaqb1zsx.cloudfront.net/speedtest/cdn/377727.png
>
> is showing the base latency without load. It would be more effective
> if it showed the
> latency with load.
>
> --
> Dave Täht
> Open Networking needs **Open Source Hardware**
>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+EricRaymond/posts/JqxCe2pFr67
>

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Re: [Bloat] the dslreports png

[Toke Høiland-Jørgensen]

jb <justin@dslr.net> writes:

> I agree! but I don't want to rush. What latency should substitute? average?
> median? latency during upload? download? both? should it be the excess over
> idle ping, expressed as a multiplier? an absolute value?

A range? So keep the base ping, but add a "bloat" value underneath it
(colour-coded as appropriate)?

-Toke

Re: [Bloat] the dslreports png

[David Lang]

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On Wed, 29 Apr 2015, jb wrote:

> I agree! but I don't want to rush. What latency should substitute? average?
> median? latency during upload? download? both? should it be the excess over
> idle ping, expressed as a multiplier? an absolute value?

an absolute value of excess over idle (see the other discussion about jitter)

median +- range would be ideal as that could cover both upload and download

> Most people as in 98% of people who use this test do so without any
> reference to instructions the forums or anything else and all of them
> "expect" to see latency
> pings that are similar to speedtest.net measure of how close the speed test
> server is.

In this case, we need something like:

latency
base + value[+-] loaded

David Lang

> And I haven't even sorted out the latency bugs. I just now asked the nginx
> development list why IE11 has problems doing http pings because it does
> a weird two-step of high-normal-high-normal, but when talking to nginx only!
> it behaves ok when talking to google.com.
>
> There is a jsfiddle you can play with to see the problem (I hope!)
>   http://jsfiddle.net/qe44nbwh/
> change nginx.org to google.com, using IE11. (other browsers work fine)
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://dfkrkqaqb1zsx.cloudfront.net/speedtest/cdn/377727.png
>>
>> is showing the base latency without load. It would be more effective
>> if it showed the
>> latency with load.
>>
>> --
>> Dave Täht
>> Open Networking needs **Open Source Hardware**
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+EricRaymond/posts/JqxCe2pFr67
>>
>

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