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From: Dave Taht <dave@taht.net>
To: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
Cc: Pete Heist <pete@heistp.net>,  bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: [Bloat] hardware diversions
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 23:23:55 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pnup1x84.fsf_-_@taht.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AD0909AA-8AE0-4E7D-AA0B-91FCF10700F8@gmail.com> (Jonathan Morton's message of "Wed, 28 Nov 2018 00:36:25 +0200")

Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> writes:

> Just to add - I think the biggest impediment to experimentation in
> asynchronous logic is the complete absence of convenient Muller
> C-element gates in the 74-series logic family.  If you want to build
> some, I recommend using NAND and OR gates as inputs to active-low SR
> flipflops.

Need millions of transistors, not dozens. :)

To me the biggest barrier is in tools. I'm still looking for the caltech
tool and language which really helped in thinking in this way, and I did
find it on github once, and it still seemed developed....

And the field is not entirely dead, after all. I keep meaning to pick up
one of the new risc-v boards. Here's a async design of the risc-v... in
GO of all things. (I also really hate the universal adoption of java
amongst the circuit design folk... and I really loved the prospects of
chisel, except for the jvm dependency):

https://www.inf.pucrs.br/~calazans/publications/2017_MarcosSartori_EoTW.pdf

in the risc-v world, well, it's still trundling forward.

https://www.lowrisc.org/about/

This is pretty neat - standby is 2uA:

https://greenwaves-technologies.com/en/gap8-product/

And pulp is pretty neat.

https://pulp-platform.org//

Still, I liked xmos's stuff... rexcomputing hasn't surfaced in a while

In the last weird hardware embedded news of the day, you can get a old
intel compute stick for 34 dollars on ebay.

https://www.ebay.com/p/Intel-Compute-Stick-STCK1A8LFC-Intel-Atom-Z3735F-1-33GHz-8GB-PC-Stick-BOXSTCK1A8LFC/11020833331?iid=153273128090&chn=ps

they were painfully slow but fit on your keychain. The most modern
version of this design is
https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Compute-Computer-processor-BOXSTK2m3W64CC/dp/B01AZC4IKK/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1543389564&sr=1-4&keywords=intel+compute+stick

2 cores, 4MB of cache, 64GB of flash... on your keychain.

I rather miss vga in that it would be better to be able to screw these in...

  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-28  7:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-13 16:54 [Bloat] one benefit of turning off shaping + fq_codel Dave Taht
2018-11-14 17:09 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2018-11-15  0:56   ` David Lang
2018-11-15  3:44     ` Dave Taht
2018-11-23 11:47 ` Pete Heist
2018-11-23 16:26   ` Dave Taht
2018-11-23 16:43     ` Jonathan Morton
2018-11-23 16:48       ` Dave Taht
2018-11-23 17:16         ` Luca Muscariello
2018-11-23 17:27           ` Dave Taht
2018-11-23 17:32             ` Luca Muscariello
2018-11-25 21:14               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-11-26 12:52                 ` Pete Heist
2018-11-26 12:54                   ` Dave Taht
2018-11-26 13:30                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-11-26 13:26                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2018-11-24 11:49     ` Pete Heist
2018-12-05  0:25       ` David Lang
2018-11-27 18:14     ` Holland, Jake
2018-11-27 18:31       ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-11-27 19:09         ` Dave Taht
2018-11-27 22:07           ` Pete Heist
2018-11-27 22:33             ` Jonathan Morton
2018-11-27 22:36               ` Jonathan Morton
2018-11-28  7:23                 ` Dave Taht [this message]
2018-11-27 19:11         ` Holland, Jake

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