From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-14-ewr.dyndns.com (mxout-026-ewr.mailhop.org [216.146.33.26]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120F62E00FC for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 17:04:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from scan-12-ewr.mailhop.org (scan-12-ewr.local [10.0.141.230]) by mail-14-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5B69CEB38 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 01:04:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 () X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 75.145.127.229 Received: from gw.co.teklibre.org (75-145-127-229-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.145.127.229]) by mail-14-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E797F9CE60F for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2011 01:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cruithne.co.teklibre.org (unknown [IPv6:2002:4b91:7fe5:1::20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cruithne.co.teklibre.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (verified OK)) by gw.co.teklibre.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A8655E84E for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:04:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by cruithne.co.teklibre.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3CE34122124; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:03:59 -0700 (MST) From: d@taht.net (Dave =?utf-8?Q?T=C3=A4ht?=) To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Organization: Teklibre - http://www.teklibre.com References: <208F592F3F104C89AA0135E5F02B2241@srichardlxp2> <4D460137.3070305@freedesktop.org> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:03:59 -0700 In-Reply-To: <4D460137.3070305@freedesktop.org> (Jim Gettys's message of "Sun, 30 Jan 2011 19:24:23 -0500") Message-ID: <87pqrdg9z4.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [Bloat] ECN & AQM Hall of Fame? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 01:04:09 -0000 > On 01/30/2011 05:40 PM, Richard Scheffenegger wrote: >> Hi, >> >> wasn't there talk about getting a Hall of Fame for networks / operators, which are using and actively supporting AQM and ECN in their administrative domain? >> >> I just looked at some traces to troubleshoot SMTP with GMX (german freemail/hosting provider), and noticed that they are in fact negotiating for ECN on their mail servers: >> One data collection method I've been thinking about was using hooks on network chains (netfilter) to gather statistics on the actual incidence of ECN and SACK/DSACK. I have found a lot of places that negotiate ECN but have rarely seen ECN actually get used on the path. We'd need an ECN hall of fame and a separate SACK related one too. -- Dave Taht http://nex-6.taht.net