From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=irif.fr; dkim=pass header.d=irif.fr; arc=none (Message is not ARC signed); dmarc=none Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAC48788F63 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 2025 15:47:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/82085) with ESMTP id 59CDkcUh030278; Sun, 12 Oct 2025 15:46:38 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BF840779; Sun, 12 Oct 2025 15:47:03 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=irif.fr; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:message-id:date:date :received:received; s=dkim-irif; t=1760276823; x=1761140824; bh= SR8siUnVZ3upvrZdJGhhBa6wlkopLREln3oGjNOAhUk=; b=ftVhocPIitegCYYq MDHIFQljsvslLKGOiTYNGVvIBb8rJVogQZyOGL8ABrO2qodlyiSUBMLoPUEi68jT VZnP1cC2IUba/IEZ1aZne+svS/LSykY0scMZEWhUSS+Mq7PiHYNRvO5qFYY/NC0i eVAZBetL2wxhKsqG5BjmUXq/jfEQG2JWq7T30K7miGZoyHj7NqGah7UtCAuZsMHJ T5aujCIzXmBlpXoLNGXIgaMOkLmiDDtDnHcN3uyis2GDsvNzSEtbqYVLVjixlDAe KQ+Wb0z37rANjQY273W9ByYmZjDxamzBpUFyBLCN9fJ5kfDjKcgx5Mm3UkZ58eas f0fsKw== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id V5imlYES8zW1; Sun, 12 Oct 2025 15:47:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pirx.irif.fr (82-64-191-149.subs.proxad.net [82.64.191.149]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EAB1540778; Sun, 12 Oct 2025 15:47:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2025 15:47:02 +0200 Message-ID: <87sefoz0yx.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Neal Cardwell Cc: bloat In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/30.1 Mule/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Sun, 12 Oct 2025 15:46:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 68EBB13E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 68EBB13E.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 68EBB13E.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Message-ID-Hash: W6VWV6A2WBAET2CQL43A7II6QBQUBE6O X-Message-ID-Hash: W6VWV6A2WBAET2CQL43A7II6QBQUBE6O X-MailFrom: jch@irif.fr X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; loop; banned-address; emergency; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.10 Precedence: list Subject: [Bloat] Re: 'Does our =?utf-8?b?4oCcbmVlZA==?= for =?utf-8?b?c3BlZWTigJ0=?= make our Wi-Fi suck?' (from orb.net) List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > Their answer: 'Yep.' Yeah, I've read the article. Their argument is that we should be using lower bandwidths in urban environments in order to avoid interference with neighbouring networks. That was perhaps true with 802.11g, but I'm not sure it's still true with 802.11be, with OFDMA, preamble punching and other fun techniques. Benchmarks, or it didn't happen. -- Juliusz