From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.taht.net (mail.taht.net [IPv6:2a01:7e00:e000:2d4:f00f:f00f:b33b:b33b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E87AB3B29E; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 14:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from dancer.taht.net (c-73-170-84-247.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [73.170.84.247]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.taht.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D0097221D8; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 19:43:59 +0000 (UTC) From: Dave Taht To: "David P. Reed" Cc: Hari Balakrishnan , Prateesh Goyal , ECN-Sane , bloat , Mohammad Alizadeh References: <1576099132.20373478@apps.rackspace.com> <1576099811.72231884@apps.rackspace.com> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:43:58 -0800 In-Reply-To: <1576099811.72231884@apps.rackspace.com> (David P. Reed's message of "Wed, 11 Dec 2019 16:30:11 -0500 (EST)") Message-ID: <87v9qd2zcx.fsf@taht.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] abc congestion control on time varying wireless links X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 19:44:02 -0000 "David P. Reed" writes: > I should explain that my motivation in writing the previous review is twofold: > > 1) I think the authors are very capable of doing great and valuable work. And they have in the past done so. > > 2) Intellectual honesty, professional honesty, and rigor are values > that seem to have been declining over the years, in favor of a > pragmatic sense that anything that can get published is important. (I > think it has been reinforced by the idea that counting publications in > good journals is the only metric of scientific contribution that > counts, even at MIT). To me, this is a VERY important value. I learned > that from my mentors, Jerry Saltzer and F.J. Corbato, who were > relentless in making sure publications were worthy. I think the core-est problem is the major universities cannot get source licenses to the 5g and wifi stuff at the lowest level. Nor can they get sufficient hardware IP to make a meaningful contribution anymore. As a result, the next generation of engineers and scientists have to make do with interpreting elephant entrails, and building cargo cult papers for submission to cargo cult journals with cargo cult reviewers who've not seen real research in the professional lifetime. I can't help but note that several of the core-est papers in the bufferbloat effort, couldn't be published - and reviewers still currently poo-poo packet scheduling ideas (like pacing, fq-ing) in favor of aqm idea of the month. I was kind of hopeful, in that Huewei as one of their remediation ideas for making their 5G stuff more trustable was a promise to make code available to all. THAT would be breath of fresh air and level the playing field once again so valid research could resume. And for all I know, they are doing that... for chinese universities. About the only thing going on in the computing world that's encouraging is the rapidly accellerating work on the risc-v. > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat