From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-22-ewr.dyndns.com (mxout-066-ewr.mailhop.org [216.146.33.66]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5A52E0726 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scan-22-ewr.mailhop.org (scan-22-ewr.local [10.0.141.244]) by mail-22-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6472E288 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 23:19:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 () X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 75.145.127.229 Received: from gw.co.teklibre.org (75-145-127-229-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.145.127.229]) by mail-22-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019A230698 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 23:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cruithne.co.teklibre.org (unknown [IPv6:2002:4b91:7fe5:1::20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cruithne.co.teklibre.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (verified OK)) by gw.co.teklibre.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5ABC45E88A for ; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:19:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: by cruithne.co.teklibre.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9F476120889; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:19:20 -0600 (MDT) From: d@taht.net (Dave =?utf-8?Q?T=C3=A4ht?=) To: Jonathan Morton Organization: Teklibre - http://www.teklibre.com References: <4D7F4121.40307@freedesktop.org> <29B06777-CC5F-4802-8727-B04F58CDA9E3@gmail.com> <20110315205146.GF2542@tuxdriver.com> <219C7840-ED79-49EA-929D-96C5A6200401@gmail.com> <20110315151946.31e86b46@nehalam> <1300228592.2087.2191.camel@tardy> <1300229578.2565.29.camel@edumazet-laptop> <87fwqo54n7.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <823E2A7B-4F46-4159-8029-BD3B075CC4CE@gmail.com> <87bp1b6fo0.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <87bp1b4yh4.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <7480559F-1F3B-4CE5-939F-FD9FD3E68E52@cisco.com> <909F3A19-C7DA-4E38-9BB0-A2EA5F625B7F@gmail.com> <87aagpe7af.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> <4D8685F5.4060507@swin.edu.au> <871v21e6m3.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:19:20 -0600 In-Reply-To: (Jonathan Morton's message of "Mon, 21 Mar 2011 01:14:39 +0200") Message-ID: <87wrjtcrd3.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours - timestamps? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 23:19:27 -0000 Jonathan Morton writes: > On 21 Mar, 2011, at 1:04 am, Dave T=C3=A4ht wrote: > >>>> We're not testing interplanetary networks here, (rather, an >>>> artificially induced one extending out well beyond the moon!) but it >>>> bears a little thinking about. >>>=20 >>> Perhaps an idea for presenting bufferbloat visually? Draw a picture of >>> the space around the Earth, with circles around the earth whose >>> diameters are proportional to bufferbloat-induced equivalent RTT >>> across different ISP links, or different consumer hardware, >>> etc. "Bufferbloat puts New York on the far side of the moon!" might be >>> a tagline to get people's attention ;) >>=20 >> That is similar to one of the ideas I had while prototyping the cosmic >> background bufferbloat detector. > > Come with us. > Leave your wheat fields. > Leave your back-street shops, your fishing boats. > Leave your offices in the tall skyscrapers. > Leave all that is routine and commonplace, > And come with us at once. > > Come with us, > To where Man has never been, > But where he will go, > As certain as the passing of time. > > Come with us to the Moon. > The rocket is waiting... > > -- The Orb, "The Passing Of Time", Orblivion Pass the kool-aid, will ya? I hear owsley left a legacy. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/15/local/la-me-owsley-stanley-20110315 --=20 Dave Taht http://nex-6.taht.net