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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
To: davecb@spamcop.net
Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Other CAKE territory (was: CAKE in openwrt high CPU)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2020 13:11:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zh65g5j6.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8c4212c4-3acb-6616-d9a2-6bef7e65bbad@rogers.com>

David Collier-Brown <davecb.42@gmail.com> writes:

> On 2020-09-03 10:32 a.m., Toke Høiland-Jørgensen via Bloat wrote
>
>> Yeah, offloading of some sort is another option, but I consider that
>> outside of the "CAKE stays relevant" territory, since that will most
>> likely involve an entirely programmable packet scheduler. There was some
>> discussion of adding such a qdisc to Linux at LPC[0]. The Eiffel[1]
>> algorithm seems promising.
>>
>> -Toke
>
> I'm wondering if edge servers with 1Gb NICs are inside the "CAKE stays 
> relevant" territory?
>
> My main customer/employer has a gazillion of those, currently reporting
>
> **
>
> *qdisc mq 0: root*
>
> *
>
> qdisc pfifo_fast 0: parent :8 bands 3 priomap 1 2 2 2 1 2 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 
> 1 1 1
>
> ...
>
> *
>
> because their OS is just a tiny bit elderly (;-)). We we're planning to 
> roll forward this quarter to centos 8.2, where CAKE is an option.
>
> It strikes me that the self-tuning capacity of CAKE might be valuable 
> for a whole /class/ of small rack-mounted machines, but you just 
> mentioned the desire for better multi-processor support.
>
> Am I reaching for the moon, or is this something within reach?

As Jonathan says, servers mostly have enough CPU that running at 1gbps
is not an issue. And especially if you're not shaping, running CAKE in
unlimited mode should not be an issue.

However, do consider what you're trying to achieve here. Most of the
specific features of CAKE are targeting gateway routers. For instance,
for a server you may be better off with sch_fq to also get efficient
pacing support. Depends on what the server is doing...

But please, get rid of pfifo_fast! Anything is better than that! ;)

-Toke

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-09-04 11:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-30 17:27 [Bloat] CAKE in openwrt high CPU Mikael Abrahamsson
2020-08-30 17:52 ` Dave Taht
2020-08-31 11:35 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-08-31 12:22   ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2020-08-31 13:29     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-09-03 13:10       ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2020-09-03 13:29         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-09-03 13:34           ` Sebastian Moeller
2020-09-03 13:32         ` Sebastian Moeller
2020-09-04 13:37           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2020-09-04 14:12             ` Sebastian Moeller
2020-09-01 15:41   ` Jonathan Foulkes
2020-09-01 16:11     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-09-01 16:25       ` Sebastian Moeller
2020-09-01 18:45         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-09-01 19:05           ` Jonathan Morton
2020-09-01 21:09             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-09-01 19:01       ` Jonathan Foulkes
2020-09-01 21:11         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-09-02 20:26           ` Jonathan Foulkes
2020-09-02 20:57             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-09-03 13:19           ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2020-09-03 13:27             ` Luca Muscariello
2020-09-03 14:32               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-09-03 15:31                 ` Luca Muscariello
2020-09-03 18:39                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-09-03 18:53                 ` Jonathan Morton
2020-09-03 22:14                 ` [Bloat] Other CAKE territory (was: CAKE in openwrt high CPU) David Collier-Brown
2020-09-04  1:19                   ` Jonathan Morton
2020-09-04 13:41                     ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2020-09-04 11:11                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2020-09-03 13:27             ` [Bloat] CAKE in openwrt high CPU Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2020-09-01 16:18     ` Sebastian Moeller
2020-09-01 19:31       ` Jonathan Foulkes
2020-09-01 20:04         ` Sebastian Moeller
2020-09-01 20:09           ` Jonathan Morton

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