From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.tohojo.dk (mail2.tohojo.dk [77.235.48.147]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A22E421F450 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 11:30:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail2.tohojo.dk Sender: toke@toke.dk DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=toke.dk; s=201310; t=1429468207; bh=AvUqkPjSK+D+JNcpdZLbDE7cNQwlpM9RNbmzkZ8rilQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Q7dLpvx17jrnX1LD8IyilJ86ycbVrIcW3ZYGxkS/7j4P9hXDylwmHm5T3FECaTGBR yK9KVkoS/8TSs/gQ/GB/4jk5eNzD1mpgEX3sQHAtJ5XrAf8u6AiwpzOgoAjxU3t0J2 dBTZxOQtrarXXIK8NzrFbdx17Si2shrbWrNrnfHw= Received: by alrua-karlstad.karlstad.toke.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 85F923262BA; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 20:30:06 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= To: Jonathan Morton References: <87wq18jmak.fsf@toke.dk> <87oamkjfhf.fsf@toke.dk> <87k2x8jcnw.fsf@toke.dk> <87fv7wj9lh.fsf@toke.dk> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 20:30:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Jonathan Morton's message of "Sun, 19 Apr 2015 21:26:32 +0300") X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <87zj64hsy9.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] DSLReports Speed Test has latency measurement built-in X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 18:30:45 -0000 Jonathan Morton writes: >> Why not? They can be a quite useful measure of how competing traffic >> performs when bulk flows congest the link. Which for many >> applications is more important then the latency experienced by the >> bulk flow itself. > > One clear objection is that ICMP is often prioritised when UDP is not. > So measuring with UDP gives a better indication in those cases. > Measuring with a separate TCP flow, such as HTTPing, is better still > by some measures, but most truly latency-sensitive traffic does use > UDP. Sure, well I tend to do both. Can't recall ever actually seeing any performance difference between the UDP and ICMP latency measurements, though... -Toke