From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-33-ewr.dyndns.com (mxout-209-ewr.mailhop.org [216.146.33.209]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732092E04C5 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 08:27:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from scan-32-ewr.mailhop.org (scan-32-ewr.local [10.0.141.238]) by mail-33-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3606FC7C4 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 16:27:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 () X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 75.145.127.229 Received: from gw.co.teklibre.org (75-145-127-229-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.145.127.229]) by mail-33-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C196FBE20 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 16:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cruithne.co.teklibre.org (unknown [IPv6:2002:4b91:7fe5:2:21c:25ff:fe80:46f9]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "cruithne.co.teklibre.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (verified OK)) by gw.co.teklibre.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DEAC5EC1A for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 09:27:01 -0700 (MST) Received: by cruithne.co.teklibre.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 73266121F99; Tue, 8 Feb 2011 09:27:00 -0700 (MST) From: d@taht.net (Dave =?utf-8?Q?T=C3=A4ht?=) To: richard Organization: Teklibre - http://www.teklibre.com References: <4D4ECF74.9080305@freedesktop.org> <1297012917.21875.26.camel@amd.pacdat.net> <20110206210317.GC3004@thyrsus.com> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 09:27:00 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20110206210317.GC3004@thyrsus.com> (Eric Raymond's message of "Sun, 6 Feb 2011 16:03:17 -0500") Message-ID: <87zkq6bigb.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] How do we shift the market? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 16:27:07 -0000 Eric Raymond writes: > richard : >> I see wiki.bufferbloat.net has the "It Works" up on it - a page here on >> terms would be a good thing. There *is* no wiki.bufferbloat.net site. Successful lookups for that are artifact of bufferbloat.net's current DNS provider, name.com, which not only never serves up a NXDOMAIN record, but supplies a *random*, *invalid* ipv6 address for it. d@cruithne:$ host wiki.bufferbloat.net wiki.bufferbloat.net has address 149.20.54.81 wiki.bufferbloat.net has IPv6 address 1d00:6574:63:6f6d:6c:2e63:2800:0 d@cruithne:$ host a.random.site.bufferbloat.net a.random.site.bufferbloat.net has address 149.20.54.81 a.random.site.bufferbloat.net has IPv6 address 7262:6c6f:6174:36e:6574:2036:3034:3830 I first noticed this behavior a few weeks ago. Originally it was worse - it would wildcard all invalid names to an ad-filled site. The number of things that this behavior breaks is rather large: email rbls, people that default to ipv6, the fact that I cannot use short hostnames, and more than once a typo sent me to the wrong machine entirely. I've been meaning to take these issues up with name.com once I can do so calmly, and rationally, with tact, and diplomacy. For now, please stick with www.bufferbloat.net as your entry point to the site! > > I am *so* there! :-) > > I'll start a glossary page. There's one started. I don't know if redmine can do a media-wiki like thing and let us mark articles as belonging to a given catagory? So I setup the glossary page to just {{include(other pages)}} for now. I would love to see all the terms we are using tightly defined, with definitions on the wiki... Y'all In particular I would like to extend "Dark Buffers" to include the concept of retries - or come up with another term for it. -- Dave Taht http://nex-6.taht.net