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From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr>
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] curious.....
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 23:05:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <89F37336-9E03-4580-A90C-F9E01ABE9A14@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87txejb50t.wl%jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr>


On 8 Dec, 2013, at 7:56 pm, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:

>> Notably it seems few have internalized what the "sparse stream"
>> optimization does for things like voip.
> 
> We're waiting with held breath until you care to enlighten us ;-)

I think I know what he's talking about.  This is where a packet arriving for an empty queue will be prioritised over packets waiting at the head of queues - but a flag will be set on that empty queue to ensure that it only happens once per cycle.  That reduces latency for stuff that isn't a bulk data flow.

The trouble is that if there's a sufficiently large number of congested flows (eg. BitTorrent) that VoIP's "fair share" is less than what it needs, that optimisation is disabled and VoIP stops working - unless it can detect and adapt to a lower bandwidth, or unless it is classified and managed as distinct from bulk data.

 - Jonathan Morton


  reply	other threads:[~2013-12-08 21:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-03 18:40 Outback Dingo
2013-12-03 22:25 ` Kenyon Ralph
2013-12-04  0:25   ` Outback Dingo
2013-12-04  0:38     ` Dave Taht
2013-12-06 17:19       ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2013-12-06 18:15         ` Dave Taht
2013-12-07 11:24           ` Sebastian Moeller
2013-12-10 19:05             ` Dave Taht
2013-12-11 10:44               ` Sebastian Moeller
2013-12-07 12:59           ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2013-12-08  1:27             ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2013-12-08  5:24               ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2013-12-08 11:00                 ` Mark Constable
2013-12-08 14:01                   ` Outback Dingo
2013-12-08 14:03                     ` Outback Dingo
2013-12-08 16:44                     ` Mark Constable
2013-12-08 19:00                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2013-12-08 13:12                 ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2013-12-08 16:46                   ` Jonathan Morton
2013-12-08 16:51                   ` Dave Taht
2013-12-08 17:56                     ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2013-12-08 21:05                       ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2013-12-08 14:22                 ` Aaron Wood
2013-12-08 14:41                 ` Jim Gettys
2013-12-08 10:40             ` Sebastian Moeller
2013-12-08 13:25               ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2013-12-08 16:26                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2013-12-08 17:47                   ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2013-12-08 19:02                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2013-12-22  1:38                       ` Dan Siemon
2013-12-22  3:46                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2013-12-08 19:01                   ` Jonathan Morton
2013-12-08 19:21                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2013-12-08 16:01               ` Neil Davies
2013-12-08 20:41 Hal Murray
2013-12-08 23:16 ` Stephen Hemminger
2013-12-09  9:51 ` Sebastian Moeller

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