From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qt1-x832.google.com (mail-qt1-x832.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::832]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCE833CB37 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2024 14:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qt1-x832.google.com with SMTP id d75a77b69052e-4668d12b629so506651cf.2 for ; Wed, 04 Dec 2024 11:18:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1733339889; x=1733944689; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=eaVB7l0PFGcUaV+kQcG0b/3hoT76OHFLO4ixvaNY74A=; b=SIWr1d+y3+XpTzYZb0irdBetzYXgMSABMr5x753dLqdCuKa2NrFz32X7dHrVCELIAC TqlHELcbOv1XfV+8yVT9EMh7PwyFcCrKj+3HVPLVnicDp07Z+Usmh/YkHfU2RgdiMQ8V DgoFZOLjUUYoVyYmBh3V8sSzlYBgVg1TV9J0IuovsouEgZu4/4BDNE1vyoxbOK+6R39j AbWaai+IVNRHDndQkKe5KF+pnKgdjBYB2RdPuULdxOQblQId2MX+Vsuhy+02n5sXn+jo rf9l+iRzVX4A8vE4YmCqrAB2X6NE9qdpWzbMMyJOBZlJ/Bi6GmO7gEf/D5mPG5A/p0Nj Pvpg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1733339889; x=1733944689; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=eaVB7l0PFGcUaV+kQcG0b/3hoT76OHFLO4ixvaNY74A=; b=eF6b4hzzPdMRq2ez5KkupufcHHSwVRJ1Um+oI1sZl+olV8TF6AzXTwikPX2QtmVKRs 2To7Ula3qgFtL8daI+YV1tAzWBTAzasHyEFyvZXauttJ2/T42gKy4um0E1pJQn5j75YU 6jZk/vHBaN7U8rBGnq/DcPAFVnEduAmShzEMkYo0eqJCKWUYM2gcURtKLst6Ql03zglo 09+I80s+tYoDoqC7Rx85JDZs+y+yX2J7TZ80Dsor4YJvone/qiIlUzCK0JA8vo5USvog oWr5bDd24oX+FKACWZJ0MzOFoSNgii3DY934XQeM/TOiAZ4pY4E9TobKHBKPerzn6rVO /Jnw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yxsne0Me2D13BjNVwd0vCbdEWNHDjm3rMi+Zle7rXyoYs654Oee 0ZJUR/Sh4D3UEQU2kpNVTE0MbPaoe9kgyJfKK0jf3ESeTnaIiOv5 X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncuXlckTHVkRhMOFHWjDD9ExCwxM54RmQ+uHIrxbV4cC/XEB4+jaxbj96VzNB+8 mzKK6FRoxc6THd/1alIaiAdcs5jjmmYAOID+kVqmiIkFRaT1BBppI0A8qoXH1qz9kKJfWmHy6pB jI9485HYs/Lq6+xyXgrtM9tNBDJRMmpljGMCLShFAkO/evEhkHzjcW8odxN/iNvHbGjexk1Z2le MrVd2H1uH5JENMc5nfIk0dZOgFjxSSQ1wkWhKzNgpm4pvqtQZud0xKDlD4Ltskbn8tPoWyW X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF6Epg/h63s2boEgRzfRDL1GscIRurkRum7btUYAa1ZRwht9U+qlnVFo99x+eI0wk88YqiZzA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:c7:b0:460:ad8e:f5ae with SMTP id d75a77b69052e-4670c09c0a1mr140410701cf.19.1733339889111; Wed, 04 Dec 2024 11:18:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([216.24.173.152]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id af79cd13be357-7b684944f4asm640424185a.52.2024.12.04.11.18.07 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Dec 2024 11:18:08 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.200.121\)) From: Rich Brown In-Reply-To: <62A919E9-EAFD-434C-BF2B-302D9E5A50E0@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 14:17:55 -0500 Cc: Rich Brown via Bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8E2F007C-6995-4145-B97B-767D4022E053@gmail.com> References: <8E1D013F-BC13-4FFA-8986-2521FEB39A89@gmail.com> <62A919E9-EAFD-434C-BF2B-302D9E5A50E0@gmx.de> To: Sebastian Moeller X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.200.121) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Updates to bufferbloat.net site X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2024 19:18:09 -0000 Excellent comments, most appreciated. > On Dec 4, 2024, at 1:00=E2=80=AFPM, Sebastian Moeller = wrote: >=20 > Hi Rich, >=20 > On 4 December 2024 17:16:39 CET, Rich Brown via Bloat = wrote: >> I have made some tweaks to the bufferbloat.net site: >>=20 >> - Added OpenWrt One to the list of off-the-shelf routers. (I ordered = mine today from AliExpress - it's due 19 Dec) >>=20 >=20 > [SM] Ordered One as well... that said, this is a decent AP package, = but will likely not be a general all-in-one router (lack of a modem is = likely fine, lack of switch ports less so), especially given the = price... > = https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/What_can_I_do_about_Buffer= bloat/ >>=20 >> - Added Raspberry Pi4 to the "custom firmware" section >> - ibid >>=20 >> - Added/extended the Bufferbloat FAQs page=20 >> = https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Bufferbloat_FAQs/ >>=20 >> - I would appreciate comments on the FAQ page - I fear I let my snark = get a little ahead of my good judgement >=20 > [SM] I like it... I wonder though whether the "and still you ended up = reading this" argument should only be made once, maybe as a response to = multiple questions? >=20 >>=20 >> - Also note that the FAQ pages lists three good web-based = speed/latency test pages: Speedtest.net, Cloudflare, and Waveform and = the Crusader tester application for Windows, Mac, Linux. >=20 > [SM] Nitpick: > "If the test shows latency below 15-25 msec, it means that bufferbloat = is under control." > Maybe clarify "latency increases under load below..." we occasionally = see people with idle delays >> 25ms performing these tests...? >=20 >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> Rich >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >=20 > --=20 > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.