From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-1" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94E8C21F43C for ; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 12:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hms-beagle.home.lan ([87.164.165.7]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Ll0tl-1ZIQU41jin-00ajjI; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 21:40:37 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 21:40:36 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8E4F61CA-4274-4414-B4C0-F582167D66D6@gmx.de> References: <75C1DDFF-FBD2-4825-A167-92DFCF6A7713@gmail.com> <8AD4493E-EA21-496D-923D-B4257B078A1C@gmx.de> To: Jonathan Morton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:aU4JZnktcts5srM7njvmIJKEUUmk1zXGL9mg+feUGt+2FPHngff OerRUsHhWrB1ArV/QVbHynJp9IQFDzDPpSYMTyXHQUIeBis2V35jeaIIBMseSELA9mmrGmT SnUghZqLoW4M2yVuHQgv4rQU/xhRxT+gsYK4a/6AVOAjDCfXUJ6jglxXXa/opUN9PxaEW++ 3+YVYsk48sLOtuHgSue4w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] DSLReports Speed Test has latency measurement built-in X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 19:41:13 -0000 Hi Jonathan, On Apr 19, 2015, at 19:41 , Jonathan Morton = wrote: >=20 >> On 19 Apr, 2015, at 19:30, Sebastian Moeller wrote: >>=20 >>> Frequency readouts are probably more accessible to the latter. >>=20 >> The frequency domain more accessible to laypersons? I have my = doubts ;) >=20 > Gamers, at least, are familiar with =93frames per second=94 and how = that corresponds to their monitor=92s refresh rate. =20 I am sure they can easily transform back into time domain to get = the frame period ;) . I am partly kidding, I think your idea is great = in that it is a truly positive value which could lend itself to being = used in ISP/router manufacturer advertising, and hence might work in the = real work; on the other hand I like to keep data as =93raw=94 as = possible (not that ^(-1) is a transformation worthy of being called data = massage). > The desirable range of latencies, when converted to Hz, happens to be = roughly the same as the range of desirable frame rates. Just to play devils advocate, the interesting part is time or = saving time so seconds or milliseconds are also intuitively = understandable and can be easily added ;) Best Regards Sebastian >=20 > - Jonathan Morton >=20