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[178.55.50.108]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i14-20020a056512340e00b00505656b98adsm359623lfr.245.2023.10.17.10.34.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Oct 2023 10:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.100.0.2.22\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <82FFA796-FE92-43D8-9D9F-4BC78B455580@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 20:34:57 +0300 Cc: Rich Brown , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8E599752-1415-44AC-B49C-58C9AEA6D3B1@gmail.com> References: <68901251-6DC5-4996-94E8-BE4DF60916AD@gmail.com> <82FFA796-FE92-43D8-9D9F-4BC78B455580@gmx.de> To: Sebastian Moeller X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.100.0.2.22) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Best approach for debloating Airbnb host? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 17:35:02 -0000 > On 17 Oct, 2023, at 4:10 pm, Sebastian Moeller via Bloat = wrote: >=20 > [SM] This is why maybe a demo unit would be helpful, but then we = would need something with commercial grade support to point them at? = Maybe evenroute's IQrouter (I like their approach, but I never tested = it). For IETF Montreal and Singapore, I carried along my IQrouter and = temporarily inserted it into the network of the AirBnBs we used - for = which the host wasn't directly present. I only had to inform it that = there was a new network to calibrate itself to, and it ran the necessary = capacity tests automatically. It's also possible to inform it directly = about the line's rated capacity, and it will just run tests to verify = that the capacity is actually available. Mine is the v2 hardware, which is no longer the one sold, but the v3 is = just a newer model from the same underlying vendor. There seems to be = enough commonality for a similar feature set and UI to be available in = both versions. I'm sure that simplifies support logistics. They would = easily be able to cope with an 80/20 line. > 2. What would I recommend? Obviously, inserting something with cake = into the mix would help a lot. Even if they were willing to let me = examine their entire network (Comcast router, Apple Airport in our = Airbnb unit, other router?) I have no idea what kind of tar baby I would = be touching. I don't want to become their network admin for the rest of = time. For a one-stop "plug it in and go" solution, the IQrouter is hard to = beat. Evenroute also do a reasonably good job of explaining the = technical background on the necessary level for end users, to help them = understand what needs to be plugged into what and why, and more = importantly where things should NOT be plugged in any more. Of course, while the IQrouter has a decent WiFi AP of its own, = installing it wouldn't directly improve the WiFi characteristics of the = Apple Airport - it's quite understandable to have a separate AP for = guests, in particular so they don't have to "shout through a wall". = However, if the airwaves are not overly congested (we found that the = 2.4GHz band was a mess in Montreal, but 5GHz was fine), that probably = doesn't matter, as the WiFi link may not be the bottleneck. If = necessary, it could be substituted with a debloated AP - if there's one = we can recommend with the "new wifi stack", so much the better. - Jonathan Morton=