From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DB6E3CB37 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2023 01:07:41 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1696568856; x=1697173656; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=V/Nh99KUheaT4zIv0DWpxqnKq2OzQnu6/24HAE4k18E=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=Op2vI/32ol/YuRyBYhFqJ1BrfZYM/l/5e4VtWWgiIy37ReR4pX01jN8beBVnMZsonkklNSl+eZv 1x8YoRp3Z1XniWGt1NtJnFteztM0MtsvRSQd+/0ytna5EVSaEkmyq8Y/fIuDYL5FXiY7PqnsYBsIz hjkxwawAUv7KW180+EZHYjH4i7w6FZlOjxrLmm4vH0Xe4SqVDssRO3lGaW3RgpDBuAtkZQPLEa40L 8jgMfKs6Hm1F6JbE937D5dv7vwra8CDY5QagpEqSMqwpuZs22XxjjtSan8CI+DX2X58obxOXTU3OY /PosgM3Vz54SkheYYc2Qbh37Ak2oaMrsRdBg== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([77.1.212.4]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MsHs0-1rcc9C1u3u-00tos7; Fri, 06 Oct 2023 07:07:36 +0200 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2023 07:07:34 +0200 From: Sebastian Moeller To: Michael Richardson , Dave Taht , Dave Taht via Bloat User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <19667.1696535635@localhost> References: <7405D858-4B1F-44A8-9E92-39A141FA64C3@gmx.de> <19667.1696535635@localhost> Message-ID: <8F072AF6-D0B0-4ACC-9333-7CEB31CC9104@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:N5gJ0e2EzKORta+oQC9WbXqdsXA1KVjvgwMEF+/ddqZ8BzN7ZMJ 9NsKeC/UM6W55+PhqIhw3F9v0nf1bxryfV6FowxiR6EiBzElDwf0UwKp+ZjCQbMrBLfAbce 3NgN2UPjvMFaV6oQ9egl5EfuetEj+U/HLIRA24V0DbsPfSfHU2lm7DNHk69S18JgG3zfeNc 3KaLFE5kujW41rlCHXlHg== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:Mi9GnatVJYY=;EKL0Io8aGp6RaehkJ/gmLZAPlju I/hItLpyUnEaA6vjvFZ8waneL7ZMbqmqYtiegTzyLx7BrIMZ1m37sE0j/gVAa/3E/jBRHTNLU XQxSljf1fxUKNkB1LV4OhA0c2UDNasmKkLR6Dddp5/MGr2YtPX2/lf6A/+woq70SpccEtG5+l n7z2ab+74AivBc1XoPmkTWx3ILgfjBF51eHvOtG3/iQoxp18jmmg750hkT0aX33LGMtiOOa8e 4fhFEx7tC6T5Kk1v7Imv+mb5IOMSQylyrxd8P5w/1qjZTkLl5lSPYGTuGxfG5fr1UaT5R4Pu1 XOZTdUNX7WXKy2M8ENU/5R6jOz8HeeBECfBKVZVQFI6QPi2QcX+ldx0RJ8pPwawwwYB0SsN9o lvcIcE8rJW9laGvDP8e9ApDWUItmI7IaL6sG5vVSCoygVIrax+nvAOspLhtCgO07zxZsZkBiN wTReSF32KUdLFY5Bcm8R0AJrkpDneUSz9XLrHznWM6R8ZqLclXh00C+La+l33CnLh4/WFArNw hFWtfacOLZlmOW+e1tbW9TR07dSU3WGfzaQjx6y7RvPFMcxMGw+kBOcMc7onYw8DPVMqaNPbw 5rQIAJIplNM6KNr9gKD0kKysaN2+ZhP/tRZLN7dfv9xzk9QolxzZazns4HBlzPBUPE9VvsSWl kD0/3Ep8vK6fkIgjpI9ztTdATKKbdy6KRr/GtbyztcLK2KDplqW0jsGBeF3QvOOEA3ZttG5fv ilfgjEgf9+uakPPGvBi9mxaKYY1vHaWtCLcBcIL4fozCqFMHEuIzOE9lFwnuStBYV3GFRZr+U iRiv8hc4Q6CWQm7kOMi93Mfj7mKw5ljyaqay32usDI8VTCIszt1z2PZAHT0Qu93xX5m9gIYmg H2Jmat7CZvqi7JzqubJmPjrgXtR38jIlOudi2Vy0yfiXjMFMxuv/pY+nC7fMiloVbBFIywTbG 4+Famg== Subject: Re: [Bloat] 80Mbit streaming X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2023 05:07:41 -0000 On 5 October 2023 21:53:55 CEST, Michael Richardson w= rote: >Sebastian Moeller via Bloat wrote: > > Now finally, a use case that needs at least a ~100Mbps link=2E=2E= =2E question > > is, how much better than the competitors streaming this is going to > > look? > >What's the point? My eyesight isn't actually that good :-) Mine neither=2E=2E=2E from my low-fi perspective, anything up to ~full hd = (1920x1080) was a noticeable improvement, but e=2Eg=2E going to 4K on a 43"= screen does not feel any better=2E=2E=2E=20 My comment was driven mostly by the observation that we are at a stage whe= re (at the forefront of deployment) we make rates available far beyond what= is necessary, e=2Eg=2E in Switzerland xgspon which is marketed as up to 10= Gbps per user=2E The only things so far are 'more parallel' and 'faster do= wnloads', so the 80 Mbps streaming is novel in a sense even though of argu= able utility=2E > > > --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E