From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp88.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (smtp88.iad3b.emailsrvr.com [146.20.161.88]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A882C3BA8E for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 17:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp12.relay.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp12.relay.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8857CC0532; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 17:03:18 -0500 (EST) X-Auth-ID: jf@jonathanfoulkes.com Received: by smtp12.relay.iad3b.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: jf-AT-jonathanfoulkes.com) with ESMTPSA id 4E4F0C04E1; Mon, 4 Feb 2019 17:03:18 -0500 (EST) X-Sender-Id: jf@jonathanfoulkes.com Received: from [192.168.7.230] (h101.133.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net [151.213.133.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:25 (trex/5.7.12); Mon, 04 Feb 2019 17:03:18 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) From: Jonathan Foulkes In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 17:03:17 -0500 Cc: Dave Taht , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8FFA4E7D-03B1-4757-A31E-8DAE6D89607C@jonathanfoulkes.com> References: <25CA545B-DFAE-485C-A81B-DBAC798B5BF3@jonathanfoulkes.com> <87ef8n74m3.fsf@taht.net> To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Subject: Re: [Bloat] keeping the lights on at bufferbloat.net X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 22:03:18 -0000 Yes, the Irony is big on that. If you want a logo, t-shirts and to spiff up the look and feel of the = bufferbloat.net site, I=E2=80=99m happy to contribute a good graphic = designer / web UI resource to the cause. And while we are at it, we probably need a few more articles that are = understandable by less technical audiences that clarify the relationship = between latency and capacity. The artist can help illustrate any = analogies, examples, etc. used in said articles. One analogy I=E2=80=99m have her illustrate depicts an ambulance vs a = Ferrari getting through traffic. The =E2=80=99slower=E2=80=99 one has an = advantage, it has traffic rules on its side ;-) She=E2=80=99s also good at animations, so if you have a short sequence = that clearly illustrates a key concept, we can try and get that = produced. We really need simple, mnemonic examples of why quick is better than = fast. Cheers, Jonathan > On Feb 4, 2019, at 3:29 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > And patreon is reporting "down for maintenance" as I write. While > we're doing ironic today, the other big grant we failed to get last > year was from the shuttleworth foundation - and that conf > call/interview took place during a 50 minute major internet-wide > outage ( http://blog.cerowrt.org/post/bufferbloat_on_the_backbone/ ) > and I could barely hear or see the other participants (nor they, me). >=20 > anyway, I'm getting off my duff today to put in at least a grant > proposal to nlnet for getting the ns3 cake work done (under jonathan), > and another to maybe get babeld-dtls done (a vestige of the cerowrt > effort) with comcast... but still I'd kind of hoped that the fq_codel > for wifi work would have had every wifi, lte, and ethernet over > powerline vendor salivating to add it to their product soonest. I'm > really delighted by the penetration sqm and fq_codel and cake now > have, sad that we aren't seeing dsl ISPs in particular, mandating cake > and terribly disappointed by the early 5G results. Still... in 8 years > of operation we made a big difference in the internet and millions of > people now benefit in the OSX, IOS, Linux and freebsd worlds from an > AQM/FQ perspective and the world as a whole from all the wonderful > work done e2e with bql, pacing, bbr, etc. Perhaps, as Matt Mathis > said, 3 years ago "The tree is cut, it is falling", we need do no more > here. >=20 > Another irony today is GSOC expects a shiny logo to be part of the > application and we've never done that. Wish we'd done t-shirts and > coffee mugs at some point, also. > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat