From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe16:19:96:114:154:160]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 751D83B29D for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2021 06:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from resomta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net ([96.114.154.232]) by resqmta-po-01v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTP id SGC7mPFd4KqmESGC7mItLF; Mon, 20 Sep 2021 10:06:39 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcastmailservice.net; s=20180828_2048; t=1632132399; bh=8trq5yFyWBsKqNruIZpduLANHiOKm6ObUPtKEdNz7jw=; h=Received:Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject: To:From:Content-Type; b=MmoFHnSDJDaY8MNCsuVm389i7m57cv1HoyoZ2NgU2a7Gt8HCn77+9bS/DUe8E8PeP XQAAs9uJDsMbYHrfdQdnRYmHyQ4G7tXSTPqNudMSkpAMlfz2DtStZpy4wZgL+2SFn6 ZoLvgdHBdh0bhDNmFBAluj5qC62U4FeKWHtGfrzmTXZZQ/QpFbyoORbjWq8en/OCMk RzuQyaCOzUOphIFuwgMu85zORs07HlRnC6DlmdIfACIWYQthYP6Q35F/gnT5a2U5Ws FVwIEOMFD7kzX+3Jby+fiKy+zLsHCqfXR2G4AyLydDGjANhah/+3QZM0ys0odcdYvP zjVzWQCpuDUkQ== Received: from home.sewingwitch.com ([98.35.153.117]) by resomta-po-08v.sys.comcast.net with ESMTPA id SGBxmE0Z06TNgSGBymsoOJ; Mon, 20 Sep 2021 10:06:31 +0000 X-Xfinity-VAAS: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvtddrudeivddgvdegucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuvehomhgtrghsthdqtfgvshhipdfqfgfvpdfpqffurfetoffkrfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedtudenucenucfjughrpefkffggfgfuvfhfhfgjtgfgsehtkeertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpefmvghnnhgvthhhucfrohhrthgvrhcuoehshhhivhgrsehsvgifihhnghifihhttghhrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeelkeduffefjeelkeeihfeghfegfeffgfefvedvteduudehgeeglefgleeuiefgheenucffohhmrghinheptghnnhdrtghomhenucfkphepleekrdefhedrudehfedruddujeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopehhohhmvgdrshgvfihinhhgfihithgthhdrtghomhdpihhnvghtpeelkedrfeehrdduheefrdduudejpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepshhhihhvrgesshgvfihinhhgfihithgthhdrtghomhdprhgtphhtthhopegslhhorghtsehlihhsthhsrdgsuhhffhgvrhgslhhorghtrdhnvght X-Xfinity-VMeta: sc=0.00;st=legit Received: from [10.96.7.39] ([10.96.7.39]) (authenticated bits=0) by home.sewingwitch.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 18KA5KpO021163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 20 Sep 2021 03:05:21 -0700 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 home.sewingwitch.com 18KA5KpO021163 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sewingwitch.com; s=default; t=1632132322; bh=8trq5yFyWBsKqNruIZpduLANHiOKm6ObUPtKEdNz7jw=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=HrYoJjekrxe8nHU1D3vdrYA3k2+4PUmYUAN7yAzxkOeAv4UmsvEmie0sHb6eWRxui /qJzzntgW3w3SJJastYjEe2B+1PVRInePuJMQTYlai5cDG6PY/b4A8EhkJ27zhDKTW nwjFYiPTUKyzumKeRrSvAKEqHHhKd6fDKNbe2R4I= Message-ID: <8f86e6fa-62d8-d187-78f1-15a13556d836@sewingwitch.com> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 03:05:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.1.1 Content-Language: en-US To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <1625188609.32718319@apps.rackspace.com> <989de0c1-e06c-cda9-ebe6-1f33df8a4c24@candelatech.com> <1625773080.94974089@apps.rackspace.com> <1625859083.09751240@apps.rackspace.com> <257851.1632110422@turing-police> From: Kenneth Porter In-Reply-To: <257851.1632110422@turing-police> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 10.96.0.132 Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] Little's Law mea culpa, but not invalidating my main point X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2021 10:06:40 -0000 On 9/19/2021 9:00 PM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: > I have a nice Chrome extension called IPvFoo that actually tracks the IP > addresses contacted during the load of the displayed page. I'll let you make > a guess as to how many unique IP addresses were contacted during a load > ofhttps://www.cnn.com > > ... > > > ... > > > ... > > > 145, at least half of which appeared to be analytics. And that's only the > hosts that were contacted by my laptop for HTTP, and doesn't count DNS, or > load-balancing front ends, or all the back-end boxes. As I commented over on > NANOG, we've gotten to a point similar to that of AT&T long distance, where 60% > of the effort of connecting a long distance phone call was the cost of > accounting and billing for the call. Should we be trying to block those, the way we do with ads? (I heartily recommend uBlock Origin for that.) Would it break the pages or make them faster? The primary reason I block ads is to block malware. The second reason is to block video ads that insist on playing in the background when the browser is hidden, eating CPU and playing annoying sound. I really don't object to viewing commercial material if it's not shoving itself in my face or trying to hurt my machine. But saving bandwidth and speeding things up are worthy goals.