From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp80.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp80.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A432C3CB44 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp11.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp11.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6C313521D; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:19:05 -0500 (EST) X-Auth-ID: jf@jonathanfoulkes.com Received: by smtp11.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: jf-AT-jonathanfoulkes.com) with ESMTPSA id 28BE852B0; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:19:05 -0500 (EST) X-Sender-Id: jf@jonathanfoulkes.com Received: from jonathans-mbp.lan (h216.76.184.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net [173.184.76.216]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:587 (trex/5.7.12); Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:19:05 -0500 From: Jonathan Foulkes Message-Id: <91B34912-5EC6-4A91-8371-DF63C0439997@jonathanfoulkes.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6436E15F-E9A5-4E0C-AA6C-DC9353D310D9" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 14:19:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: Cc: bloat To: Jim Gettys References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) Subject: Re: [Bloat] The Blind Men and the Elephant. X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 19:19:05 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6436E15F-E9A5-4E0C-AA6C-DC9353D310D9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Wow, excellent post Jim! Great summary of the progress and status as of this date. It is indeed hard to believe more in the industry don=E2=80=99t get it = or if they do, adopt it. Also, loved this: =E2=80=9CHow many of you have successfully configured = your home router QOS page, without losing hair from your head.=E2=80=9D = Which is why the IQrouter has no QoS UI, just a couple of buttons to = re-start the automatic optimization run if you change service levels. = Everything else is hidden.=20 And there is some hope for ISPs, as a very Woke local ISP now rents / = sells IQrouters to their users, as it was the only way to keep their = rural DSL and Cable customers happy. But I had to spend four hours = (across multiple meetings) educating them on the topic of bufferbloat = and its mitigations.=20 Thanks again, Jonathan Foulkes CEO - Evenroute.com > On Feb 11, 2018, at 8:11 PM, Jim Gettys wrote: >=20 > My version is up: dunno why the ietf web site doesn't have it up yet = (It was supposed to go up 7pm ET). >=20 > = https://gettys.wordpress.com/2018/02/11/the-blind-men-and-the-elephant/ = >=20 > We will push this on social media first thing in the morning. Those = of you in Europe, please do so as well (it's best to get the ball = rolling in the morning in Europe before the western hemisphere wakes = up). >=20 > Thank you all for all of your help. I have tried to credit everyone = appropriately as best I can. >=20 > All the best, >=20 > Jim >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat --Apple-Mail=_6436E15F-E9A5-4E0C-AA6C-DC9353D310D9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Wow, = excellent post Jim!

Great summary of the progress and status as of this = date.

It is = indeed hard to believe more in the industry don=E2=80=99t get it or if = they do, adopt it.

Also, loved this: =E2=80=9CHow many of you have = successfully configured your home router QOS page, without losing hair = from your head.=E2=80=9D Which is why the IQrouter has no QoS UI, = just a couple of buttons to re-start the automatic optimization run if = you change service levels. Everything else is hidden. 

And there is some hope = for ISPs, as a very Woke local ISP now rents / sells IQrouters to their = users, as it was the only way to keep their rural DSL and Cable = customers happy. But I had to spend four hours (across multiple = meetings) educating them on the topic of bufferbloat and its = mitigations. 

Thanks again,

Jonathan Foulkes
CEO - Evenroute.com





On Feb 11, 2018, at 8:11 PM, Jim Gettys <jg@freedesktop.org> = wrote:

My version is up: = dunno why the ietf web site doesn't have it up yet (It was supposed to = go up 7pm ET).

https://gettys.wordpress.com/2018/02/11/the-blind-men-and-the-e= lephant/

We will push this on social media first thing in = the morning.  Those of you in Europe, please do so as well (it's = best to get the ball rolling in the morning in Europe before the western = hemisphere wakes up).

Thank you all for all of = your help.  I have tried to credit everyone appropriately as best I = can.

All the best,

Jim

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