From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-vk1-xa2b.google.com (mail-vk1-xa2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CF003B2A4 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2023 10:30:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-vk1-xa2b.google.com with SMTP id 6so6289420vko.7 for ; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 07:30:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:date:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=P8X/hGc4CXmhA59nxKAc9eTuxYuSv7X6bS4OxFOexqY=; b=Kqw0tLJGXkoqHj3XJBjJDGLE8KU64MTduxSX04OtBYlgsoa7QfqPwEQrS3wGC6AtPe 5FxR9bZbvgBsQ7YMZz0t1jequReVaNeOBjTLsCvJk1FvrofT0J/zHiKkJvhOPp01oWK+ XxvL1wEHKrxRw8M6z8/9eGMy4Bj2BpnfV755LldEi+s4SlgDtg52W2EEqA5pBgmD21hB GeDehktm0KiehtEVhgTqfeE5Qu+2ZlOIUpGs/QJdOw/P9GPnPRuN11qvGp06eTuw8Jo/ S33ZY++u9tb0+yo9fIaQ4SzjOUo0SdfP4M1LphVjOY8P70PUNfmF1Kwx9i24tMk70NzU XzwQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:date:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=P8X/hGc4CXmhA59nxKAc9eTuxYuSv7X6bS4OxFOexqY=; b=bs+X0WYqx59NtbkvVjsillkm3B905Fvioq2nAwlvupK1cq1WExajE9ANd3jptJ1h6a 3cYlMbQSSYpgXXuFzM2+DyeIhNTodm1qk/kz1JPSWltHgatN6b+IgD6vQD9MXJvMySW2 9P41s5Xt8wGNSJaacRb7NUzcy1FGjKDAgwbWGrYuoXZVvgIxMgp+sBgzqaI7iw4VN27S wH1YQi7vgUwbyFknpE/FIpWKWl8hRonDFy1w2dimiEkEIkI24I4N5VCVraNsPKQhrnA2 ozzxZMg9f/YKrr4wiUPZnYrCS59ImgE+yOXChpOQljhMokkIZNHEcuo39O1GAwr7fe1Q aFeg== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKXstdr9WPfrsbhrTlOEWuaCus9P+dEoAdA0I6DlBfCPg56UgDAv gu2hy6zlkRc+J2r6UhBppKyty9jY3LQxFA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set9mW5nZG+zxaoSTx2KKx5wMAFbd69zTmWvhQk4oMiTNG7UDrkFKkuC4oGPbJCIMMTuFJd3KFA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:c81:b0:3b7:afc6:20c7 with SMTP id ba1-20020a0561220c8100b003b7afc620c7mr11620713vkb.10.1675697456441; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 07:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([198.55.239.10]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t15-20020a05620a450f00b006fa43e139b5sm7638304qkp.59.2023.02.06.07.30.55 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Feb 2023 07:30:55 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) Message-Id: <942C0D4A-BDAB-443E-AEE7-2852445EE995@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 10:30:55 -0500 To: bloat X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) Subject: [Bloat] Review of Delta's in-flight wifi mentions latency! X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2023 15:30:57 -0000 In this ZDnet article, they showed a screenshot of speedtest.net while = using Delta's in-flight wifi. It showed pretty big latency. = https://www.zdnet.com/home-and-office/networking/i-tried-deltas-new-free-i= nflight-wi-fi-heres-how-fast-it-was/ BUT... the good news is that the reviewer commented on it.=20 > With ping rates of 600 to 1,000 milliseconds, however, it's absolutely = unusable for videoconferencing with Zoom and the like,=20 > and only a glutton for punishment would use it for gaming. They said other services "worked as well as in the lobby of a trade-show = hotel". (That's damning with faint praise...) Nonetheless, this is PROGRESS! Someone in the main stream press = acknowledged that latency might be a thing. And that it could harm your = network access! Rich=