From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96B863B2A4 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2022 14:29:22 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1660242556; bh=p90sLjy3EeqwEcwOPISf6hnPaibaL67Mbzrxeqa3rUE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=aBQSyf8t6oxW8pYo9NWhL7sM7ltcORiAH1p3+gl4kr2kUUrYzLX1qbRx2KJx8q2sl 6/MX5EObG/FQiaC/ImPpU/VMy58OLsTdRtJX89nBj1+yhKwTRDJ4EE7Hj2K9gLeskg vb0XPb9lVTrqvBYrto4AvlnkYAqMc2R4yg7Yeb40= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from smtpclient.apple ([95.116.115.133]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M42nY-1oMCvk36nY-00031P; Thu, 11 Aug 2022 20:29:16 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 20:29:16 +0200 Cc: bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <946BBC8B-F088-47B6-97C9-2175B11E2EC6@gmx.de> References: To: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:mAHOhkgV1EWndMDeLq+OnsAnW4OG7EatHKa9Njd9qVhQk2s3wm9 YsPka5q72enXUzUmnmC4xGwBZ3TwvKccTQ4QpTypmsUayeXVkjW5A+vYIHmlBgMHZ+W9Gcg wvx3nNUdySX31oUqroD92QZIj0UsAMmuEztXNEsxk/CuHGq0fmNJP4I4a+Tgh9MqV7CGFQP zxQ0Pi2q+KGw2TFVTEQ5A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:s6xDUFPDuNE=:Ohld2ddUzDlaBb9eqtJnC1 SllLapj6ua+mxfl5ThyZXJh/X9d6ziR5KqP/YM+lR8VgVTzS/FNUmi5idnEmA3FLR7MrGFfM8 votaT0toYVXgMyA50Qr/FOSiHUHqANCtpsoO6X4mOz2ep3bT7kg/60NrANziiI0kLeYesbf1R IB96BZ9BTcptxVkLnSUEWDWFC24P0wEZNRk0WOVC3w7j+Z4IfVe6YbTEikA6PE++VlLkS+M5R vycy4M5iz0EHHm3jffG50QK9kHcvCnk6jJXbqOocKDHWD+g0cACkt8kdKlV9lAtgkPHlyhanr 8trWLusfmFwtwt6lwlHbjHTrIG6R1OoWr/2o52kuHxmTevQyItBZh205eMubKg3JEb7Blow/E CW3CCvjU6RiRgaWjw6A5FCWaK7C+poJLFVd61opI2jPZw/CUmmg9LzaRp6+C0b8e1zZv5DK+J +JuiWomFHsedM/GoBVrr8VVYzYGPOiagPUjWI41n6Tk5UZqJG2fFLnCAFvG69Lqe80FWIMjmm yXnwP9OeO8gi6IgPTYD26e/AlGIflV/C2UlKZFJ9lGPcTpDvaWi12YeyibEJ2pl+S/iIPFnEE SWKDQOESDgxyF4gCPvynOyPnz93MK7efCoJLA5lYpPalssADfeWOi1/kmfAPa4m64GXYS3uwQ ylsQuvvN221E7MCg7aHeRjIGbnh+8wWBlfMuUB7E3OlgwzTXWcGwotbF0qQBZsoucUbYuLxlS Zr8GJ+hIU7ivRm/82dQ9qRmaNrEkANlamACT5gc0gGsXd499AvnWFDznO1kPpwz4Dg2Z1zFXn tp2daHLQf+mtjMqLiZ3TiucwEf2P7TEm7Q8yauQetO0uPVmKAZe41eHSYmO/7vaSUOflxye2T pYzeGgqhA8rUwaXKobonVTPmpzrW2cs5feNpN1LmT7qd3OEdh1GPqYzZ2o9AmDGPrmLlvOO6e tOntPJQ0n94ON/hqBEbtmmYSAjAwWzaTJ4006df8hDLgwOYfyOtuH83X6tdnMfFazWBnpOfVB Tfsc+Pd3wyK3Fs2CPiqfNjDWBQZHvKhOk6ReGE0Gs3LbiZkWMcpfNheF5XsAJ+jQ2JbFmV95u JFQUekFZUcDktAdx6aWLCyJTJ7pJLmja+M0aiGYjVxTs90+vi/LUeP+wQ== Subject: Re: [Bloat] minecraft over 5g X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:29:23 -0000 Hi Dave, > On Aug 11, 2022, at 20:14, Dave Taht via Bloat = wrote: >=20 > "Are we not all tired of talking about throughput as a key measure of > 5G?" Amin told Light Reading in response to a question about 1&1's > strategy. "The first accomplishment is to deliver 3-millisecond > latency and to put a Minecraft application server, the UPF [user plane > function], CU, DU and Robin.io all collocated in the same pod. This is > just brilliant." Assuming all your minecraft friends live in the same pod's = aggregate area and are at the same mobile carrier/ISP...*=20 I am glad they are focussing on lower latency over bulk = thoughput for sure, but I fail to see any sound business strategy behind = such demonstrators. Personally I would never ever play on game servers = housed and operated by my ISP (and I like my ISP) but I will not put all = of my digital eggs in one basket (I use different companies for fixed = and mobile internet access for the same reason). *) Otherwise you are typically better off trying to locate the server = where it has roughly the same RTT to all players. >=20 > - = https://www.lightreading.com/the-edge/rakuten-outs-cisco-mavenir-nec-as-1a= nd1-suppliers/d/d-id/779622 > --=20 > FQ World Domination pending: = https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/ > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat