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From: rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@perens.com>
Cc: dan <dandenson@gmail.com>,
	libreqos <libreqos@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	Rpm <rpm@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS]  [Rpm] On FiWi
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 10:32:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <949886c0f65025a626887d09a818c233@rjmcmahon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK2MWOvNtRDvLkjhSYciKoQdSg5VJD43KMJANZQq20jbXaY4zg@mail.gmail.com>

The 6G is a contiguous 1200MhZ. It has low power indoor (LPI) and very 
low power (VLP) modes. The pluggable transceiver could be color coded to 
a chanspec, then the four color map problem can be used by installers 
per those chanspecs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_color_theorem

There is no CTS with microwave "interference" The high-speed PHY rates 
combined with low-density AP/STA ratios, ideally 1/1, decrease the 
probability of time signal superpositions. The goal with wireless isn't 
high densities but to unleash humans. A bunch of humans stuck in a dog 
park isn't really being unleashed. It's the ability to move from block 
to block so-to-speak. FiWi is cheaper than sidewalks, sanitation 
systems, etc.

The goal now is very low latency. Higher phy rates can achieve that and 
leave the medium free the vast most of the time and shut down the RRH 
too. Engineering extra capacity by orders of magnitude is better than 
AQM. This has been the case in data centers for decades. Congestion? Add 
a zero (or multiple by 10)

Note: None of this is done. This is a 5-10 year project with zero 
engineering resources assigned.

Bob
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 5:11 PM Robert McMahon
> <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com> wrote:
> 
>> the AP needs to blast a CTS so every other possible conversation has
>> to halt.
> 
> The wireless network is not a bus. This still ignores the hidden
> transmitter problem because there is a similar network in the next
> room.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-03-15 17:32 UTC|newest]

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     [not found] <mailman.2651.1672779463.1281.starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net>
     [not found] ` <1672786712.106922180@apps.rackspace.com>
     [not found]   ` <F4CA66DA-516C-438A-8D8A-5F172E5DFA75@cable.comcast.com>
2023-01-09 15:26     ` [Bloat] [Starlink] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA Dave Taht
2023-01-09 17:00       ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-09 17:04       ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " Jeremy Austin
2023-01-09 18:33         ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 18:54       ` [Bloat] [EXTERNAL] " Livingood, Jason
2023-01-09 19:19         ` [Bloat] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 19:56           ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-01-09 21:00             ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 10:02             ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 15:08               ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] " Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 15:50                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:06                   ` Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:19                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 16:12                   ` dan
2023-03-13 16:36                     ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 17:26                       ` dan
2023-03-13 17:37                         ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 18:34                           ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:14                         ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:42                           ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 18:51                             ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 19:32                               ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-13 20:00                                 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 20:28                                   ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14  4:27                                     ` [Bloat] On FiWi rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 11:10                                       ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Mike Puchol
2023-03-14 16:54                                         ` [Bloat] [Rpm] " Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:06                                           ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:11                                             ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-14 17:35                                               ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 17:54                                                 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-14 18:14                                                   ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-14 19:18                                                     ` dan
2023-03-14 19:30                                                       ` Dave Taht
2023-03-14 20:06                                                         ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 19:30                                                       ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-14 23:30                                                         ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-15  0:11                                                           ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-15  5:20                                                             ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-15 16:17                                                               ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Aaron Wood
2023-03-15 17:05                                                                 ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-15 17:44                                                                   ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 19:22                                                                   ` David Lang
2023-03-15 17:32                                                               ` rjmcmahon [this message]
2023-03-15 17:42                                                                 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " dan
2023-03-15 19:33                                                                   ` David Lang
2023-03-15 19:39                                                                     ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
2023-03-15 21:52                                                                       ` David Lang
2023-03-15 22:04                                                                         ` Dave Taht
2023-03-15 22:08                                                                           ` dan
2023-03-15 17:43                                                                 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-15 17:49                                                                   ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-15 17:53                                                                     ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
2023-03-15 17:59                                                                       ` dan
2023-03-15 19:39                                                                       ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 16:38                                         ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-03-17 18:21                                           ` Mike Puchol
2023-03-17 19:01                                           ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-17 19:19                                             ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 20:37                                               ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-17 20:57                                                 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 22:50                                                   ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-18 18:18                                                     ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-18 19:57                                                       ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-18 20:40                                                         ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-19 10:26                                                           ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] " Michael Richardson
2023-03-19 21:00                                                             ` [Bloat] On metrics rjmcmahon
2023-03-20  0:26                                                               ` dan
2023-03-20  3:03                                                                 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " David Lang
2023-03-20 20:46                                                             ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 21:28                                                               ` dan
2023-03-20 21:38                                                                 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-20 22:02                                                                   ` [Bloat] On FiWi power envelope rjmcmahon
2023-03-20 23:47                                                                     ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-21  0:10                                                                 ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
2023-03-21  5:21                                                                   ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-21 11:26                                                                     ` [Bloat] Annoyed at 5/1 Mbps Rich Brown
2023-03-21 12:31                                                                       ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-21 12:53                                                                         ` Rich Brown
2023-03-21 15:22                                                                         ` Jan Ceuleers
2023-03-21 18:33                                                                           ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-21 17:22                                                                         ` dan
2023-03-21 19:04                                                                           ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-23 18:23                                                                             ` dan
2023-03-21 12:29                                                                     ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] On FiWi Brandon Butterworth
2023-03-21 12:30                                                                   ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-21 17:42                                                                     ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 18:08                                                                       ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 18:51                                                                         ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-21 19:58                                                                           ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-21 20:06                                                                             ` David Lang
2023-03-25 19:39                                                                             ` [Bloat] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 20:09                                                                               ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 20:47                                                                                 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 20:15                                                                               ` [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-25 20:43                                                                                 ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-25 21:08                                                                                   ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 22:04                                                                                     ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 22:50                                                                                       ` dan
2023-03-25 23:21                                                                                         ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 23:35                                                                                           ` David Lang
2023-03-26  0:04                                                                                             ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-26  0:07                                                                                               ` Nathan Owens
2023-03-26  0:50                                                                                                 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-26  8:45                                                                                                 ` Livingood, Jason
2023-03-26 18:54                                                                                                   ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26  0:28                                                                                               ` David Lang
2023-03-26  0:57                                                                                                 ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 22:57                                                                                       ` Bruce Perens
2023-03-25 23:33                                                                                         ` David Lang
2023-03-25 23:38                                                                                         ` Robert McMahon
2023-03-25 23:20                                                                                       ` David Lang
2023-03-26 18:29                                                                                         ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 10:34                                                                                   ` [Bloat] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-26 18:12                                                                                     ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-26 20:57                                                                                     ` David Lang
2023-03-26 21:11                                                                                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-26 21:26                                                                                         ` David Lang
2023-03-28 17:06                                                                                         ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Larry Press
2023-03-28 17:47                                                                                           ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-28 18:11                                                                                             ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-28 18:46                                                                                               ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-28 20:37                                                                                                 ` David Lang
2023-03-28 21:31                                                                                                   ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-28 22:18                                                                                                     ` dan
2023-03-28 22:42                                                                                                       ` rjmcmahon
2023-03-29  8:28                                                                                             ` Sebastian Moeller
     [not found]                                                                                               ` <a2857ec4-a6ea-e9eb-cf99-17ef7ea08ef2@indexexchange.com>
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` <716ECAAD-E2EE-4647-9E73-D60BF8BF9C1E@searls.com>
2023-03-29 13:40                                                                                                   ` [Bloat] Enabling a production model Dave Taht
2023-03-29 14:54                                                                                                     ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " dan
2023-03-29 16:53                                                                                                       ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-29 18:33                                                                                                         ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-29 17:13                                                                                                       ` [Bloat] " David Lang
2023-03-29 17:34                                                                                                         ` dan
2023-03-29 20:03                                                                                                           ` David Lang
2023-03-29 17:46                                                                                                         ` [Bloat] [Starlink] " Rich Brown
2023-03-29 19:02                                                                                                           ` tom
2023-03-29 19:08                                                                                                             ` Dave Taht
2023-03-29 19:31                                                                                                               ` tom
2023-03-29 19:11                                                                                                           ` Dave Collier-Brown
2023-03-29 13:46                                                                                               ` [Bloat] [Starlink] On fiber as critical infrastructure w/Comcast chat Frantisek Borsik
2023-03-29 14:57                                                                                                 ` [Bloat] [LibreQoS] " Dave Taht
2023-03-29 19:23                                                                                                   ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-29 19:02                                                                                               ` [Bloat] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-29 19:37                                                                                                 ` dan
2023-03-25 20:27                                                                               ` [Bloat] " rjmcmahon
2023-03-17 23:15                                             ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] On FiWi David Lang
2023-03-13 19:33                           ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] [LibreQoS] [EXTERNAL] Re: Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA dan
2023-03-13 19:52                             ` Jeremy Austin
2023-03-13 21:00                               ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 21:27                                 ` dan
2023-03-14  9:11                                   ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 20:45                             ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 21:02                               ` [Bloat] When do you drop? Always! Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:04                 ` [Bloat] UnderBloat on fiber and wisps Dave Taht
2023-03-13 16:09                   ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 18:22                     ` [Bloat] Offtopic: passive ping. was: Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA Dave Collier-Brown
2023-03-13 18:50                       ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-03-13 19:48                         ` Dave Collier-Brown
2023-01-09 20:49         ` [Bloat] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-01-09 19:13       ` [Bloat] [Rpm] " rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 19:47         ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Sebastian Moeller
2023-01-09 20:20         ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " Dave Taht
2023-01-09 20:46           ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 20:59             ` Dave Taht
2023-01-09 21:06               ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 21:18                 ` rjmcmahon
2023-01-09 21:02             ` [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] " Dick Roy
2023-01-10 17:36         ` [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] " David P. Reed

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