From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf1-x12c.google.com (mail-lf1-x12c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A0973CB35; Fri, 1 Jan 2021 19:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lf1-x12c.google.com with SMTP id m25so51091546lfc.11; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 16:18:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=w89CV8k3+DTDp4KeBqLCcTgGQBDh3ngf+3+4oYiuccc=; b=EfaYRXLLg7VV1GZRLdcwV3P55LvEbHJW2E/QrCKMruvM7158+ubk5DguqBhDzdjPg4 Enhnt4DF56xwQIXF1I6tcVl/0HhKefEL/afkD/hIxFEQX8mFIyqsXUo2FDx+DZd+b4CJ sVIwNlAz6vd8/lJADllpzKzulLgbeqaDayFv19+Uz2GZ8UYuHJ98UL3bQQhBKKnUYdDt Hrs9aS0IKf1OUthYk/ppJOrhkN6Ei9kdHhnFHMd9u8Q/HlJeXobvqjo+svWS5oCTZc2u k9DKm2I5MVq5QFgA6IAMlIdwC115gr6NVgvzeFsp6v52wDOht6SnuipvO+2dVCdMPBnq v30w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=w89CV8k3+DTDp4KeBqLCcTgGQBDh3ngf+3+4oYiuccc=; b=EA2Y1W044bpUAyxlER0Ed6ZVGOZNWrwPHgYzWS3XrbyLK6Xhv1vkwz3PXB4ludH7O3 rxLBMMP9bLX+cAoIiveqDCSWVP9XH8EqrRv9lmUyk/b2zEoQwwmAkr7cSOXdoeUNYhlq w2+uBkBWM/fPQp89iI+FGg5AszmpfbU+Seh1YI3k9XmoxnBgcSm7bWUvoJbEHQNoejpj G78+fRjRlcRslTwCl7yaN0u7L0c45cojYU6qVq7HfPzBpHpI0O8rW24hRjQYK3fIzrT+ b8b3UJNHkO0/EQTlZ0XsKvlf/RZ/UB1e4onIg8RX3q/68j0fX7in0blr5jMRwxn0wtFF 9bbA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5338icEaoFz/OtcH3q3Qf3tJnsgrkN6iGlUx/63174jK4LZ0Q85I hwdwbeNTFXoyuSqaHjtJ9AI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxcB6oXodEa5B98Jw2/j9Jo6qvIap26GWxXmJRl2M3FFE7Or2uNl9qLmmWuCI2s4mWgjiX2eQ== X-Received: by 2002:a19:6916:: with SMTP id e22mr28548486lfc.595.1609546723921; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 16:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (178-55-231-236.bb.dnainternet.fi. [178.55.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x17sm6696832lfg.0.2021.01.01.16.18.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 01 Jan 2021 16:18:43 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.7\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <1609543872.082620517@apps.rackspace.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 02:18:39 +0200 Cc: Dave Taht , Scott Manley , cerowrt-devel , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <96B9B391-459C-49B4-9D4D-E1DC04FA8F71@gmail.com> References: <1609543872.082620517@apps.rackspace.com> To: "David P. Reed" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.7) Subject: Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] my thx to spacex (and kerbal space program) forcheering me up all year X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2021 00:18:45 -0000 > On 2 Jan, 2021, at 1:31 am, David P. Reed wrote: >=20 > Now, one wonders: why can't Starlink get it right first time? >=20 > It's not like bufferbloat is hard on a single bent pipe hop, which is = all Starlink does today. The bloat doesn't seem to be in Starlink itself, but in the consumer-end = modem. This is fixable, just as soon as Starlink put their minds to it, = because it's based on the same Atheros SoCs as the consumer CPE we're = already familiar with. - Jonathan Morton=