From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 136203B29E for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 16:03:50 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1612386229; bh=1AOwzCOmsK4X+WJu5l8VTY027eldsiLmCBr/qirdMGg=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=An75ql7OkHQiDKx9tbQBFZnF2m6/A9Pma3V3oxYLNd1hkdj1QO8tYZ3xfAibolVGW LFVzXiuAEZkEIY/cAFvD+/YW6Wh/wtoTgE24L5FfZQ1MjZtys+JGRXBZp0i7dtwqtO /zv3NJhXsMAxTFulZmbxUP5ZUZPq7ObhTu9ZUoLk= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.42.229] ([77.0.35.172]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mjj87-1lmXU73zBb-00l9y6; Wed, 03 Feb 2021 22:03:49 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 22:03:48 +0100 Cc: bloat , =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9DA93F1C-8988-4CF9-A8BE-2DFA4ED85E67@gmx.de> References: <73E3C254-1415-4E69-839E-A6AE01146473@jonathanfoulkes.com> To: Sina Khanifar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Q3jTQSKrbUvhGAZ8kh7/qeA+wzXnmwTOatbaEHG0ikv4Gdhekr7 fL40g+54+DrgdPFFPHFnr4h+dGp0AJagzX3aM1FSFovzMtU6nnTAE9af/WqAbZlcdlFbJQJ ZyfGa1mwqew4t8S9lNIwZ9edsATPnzaa170hwwbgAz8NhCwCpWRq9mKHyYSN6uL6FL1M8pe xnVuRFf+Ow0zx4IVcal+w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:AEeGIAVVtDs=:j6gRrQ1j36UIOce5icUFXL QGo+qQuM2/w/W/JMHwDE3ywM/sMCo/Qej96StN30RAFchek7tteTaTFG6Q2b31U1ywj9NdK70 3eCMJRO3UyOF0OxNdqkua3E405d0X+19A2+3dC5n/2XSvDk7suWRA320IPYq0nmqBRxf44AX3 Y0W7+vl6+qFSg5IKJ3/gWVi6HcoIuRx02kBpueKsQr8l2JVo6wSbXft5EalTDUjp6rPrtql4l bza1aSePX61hKQ7ZBHfYvzx8k/16Ud2Vf2eFSGUOU6N/IwwHCta4G5buoPc+HIjHl+gGO7pwR 7gYM/xC2VoF2qtG1u9AtTS8TLBVzpf0u+zrSfS26Tzy2ik/M/AlSAPEFzLgzgSVMO29deJaVu kGuJXENzKWFVFCpZEq/vyBVf6vUfXCUua+mGH7bitCpiXN+qXPawA4a8cjql+klwym3KuEioi 6Wp4HK7xQI1tflvV++hfSogDZh2ODtIRWPfN8ZuN/x5N7mXScaQUebp9sqWgEZztPiqATJfhy aucVKdzJePI0dpJebE+DeP/yzuDPNFvBaaSOpr8vXcIX5Y2YcPAD1I7u+hqPyOoktIR3LsoR1 NxLGMi3c59BlwbMOd2BUZljGmy2SyxM5Gw3/bT87aWISvQsk7/3yd2SUJnBJuZ1lNFBYQbAx5 NbRyWNOUikUiDYLoxFTtCwGZ3333ORtbS3gdFRbpmTc38skE9brSIo3GXLlOP3XbzZ9PJtJYN VxgfNkI/AMRSvV0d+5Zht98xcrwWN/bV3V//9kA1yV8pAfnGuv5HxbLWwihM11yZySK1pNCBr EUEHDNesNY+ngXohuf5ahvAKCrmQDkEWL7AJ/ZzbSUMEAOScs4mlZ/lGZuF6fJb0pJS9mFVQC lSqtVfHlqyL+sXtwDDYA== Subject: Re: [Bloat] waveform bufferbloat test is GOOOD X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 21:03:51 -0000 @Dave, using Chrome instead of Safari I get this with SQM: = https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=3Dee977631-2f50-4105-b7= 17-5066cbf3ddca Unloaded: 15 ms Download Active: +0 ms Upload Active: +0 m this with SQM disabled: = https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=3D0959dcfa-04e2-435c-99= 24-0d0438420597 Unloaded: 15 ms Download Active: +14 ms Upload Active: +50 m and this with SQM enabled again: = https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=3D154ee895-108e-4bcf-8a= 08-536340fb5282 Unloaded: 15 ms Download Active: +1 ms Upload Active: +0 m all measured via an USB3 realtek gigabit-ethernet dongle on a macbook = with 10.14.6. To me this looks like cake really helps, but I wonder what TCP is in use = by cloudflare's CDN nodes... I had expected somewhat larger effects. Best Regards Sebastian > On Feb 3, 2021, at 12:54, Sina Khanifar wrote: >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > It's funny that this thread should pop up now =E2=80=A6 I drafted a = long > email to send to the list two nights ago. I was planning to announce > that we were almost ready to actually launch our updated bufferbloat > test, but then we found some pesky bugs that we're now working to > squash. >=20 > We should have them all sorted out this week or early next week, and > I'll finally send my longer email to the group that covers all the > changes we made since we shared an early beta a couple of months back. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Sina. >=20 > On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 1:42 AM Sebastian Moeller = wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Dave, >>=20 >>=20 >> I wonder what is going on with the reported latencies. I see negative = latency numbers indicating that the report is presenting a difference, = maybe unloaded minus the direction under tests? My tests with SQM also = report the unloaded latency figure ion the top right as 0ms (while my = link forces A >=3D12ms RTT to the first IP address after my router). I = would guess that there is still some development going on and hopefully = that will be fixed. >>=20 >> Best Regards >> Sebastian >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Feb 2, 2021, at 17:27, Dave Taht wrote: >>>=20 >>> Regrettably my joy only lasted a few hours, as there was = confirmation >>> bias. Try it with sqm off or on. Running a complete battery of tests >>> now. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 5:55 AM Jonathan Foulkes = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Excellent, nice to see another comprehensive test. >>>> I also like that they list the IQrouter in the set of routers that = mitigate bloat ;-) >>>>=20 >>>> Since I recently shared the DSLreports test from my line, here is = the same line tested via this new site: >>>> = https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=3Df10cfe50-6dd2-4ae3-9b= 40-dedd2b5087c6 >>>>=20 >>>> Nice to see that A+ and zeros for bloat. >>>>=20 >>>> for reference, the dslreports test: = https://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/67140120 >>>>=20 >>>> Cheers, >>>>=20 >>>> Jonathan >>>>=20 >>>> On Feb 1, 2021, at 10:33 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> = https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=3Dbea9f548-086a-4a74-bb= de-b05b33f689a2 >>>>=20 >>>> I am very happy with this test, and I must admit, if it was = discussed >>>> here, already, I must have missed the thread. Not only is the test >>>> well structured and fast - and some people like whisker plots more >>>> than me, my blessed cdfs, & the FAQ is brilliant. >>>>=20 >>>> https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat#erid5407983 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over = public >>>> relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman >>>>=20 >>>> dave@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: = 1-831-435-0729 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Bloat mailing list >>>> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over = public >>> relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman >>>=20 >>> dave@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: = 1-831-435-0729 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bloat mailing list >>> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat