From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DB1B3B29D; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 03:39:34 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1668242373; bh=pjyDEtS4168L526hHQJsk5vM3iDG6i+ED5KXYvy+AH8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=cc7BKHHmOa2ouAkdLJ1XgP7HacQoGS7RH6lenfO4ssO3pPzPooW3fKtyiRhdchKU5 2hO3RCAnQ4Mj1dm+ice/fzUgqit+9CBj3ZqzUWkzRjEH+tAeFpsH/piZzUw20nwRM3 O/eGC1gjVKdigEZ/76HRRDr8QBcVdHsWpIQeSQMhD5nmHGfiCJHe8VNi/JtBcxsXtd eDrTv/QYatf45k7HMKeb/JHMPn7Zp9F+11g/w65lnquWG/vdi8xj8IZaTRoI937RPP PzsE9jrJjfNeYTOXEp1ogBXxR6azzMCPkNKA2VvngnQ7Dlv/lgDhqzr3fHLUOMurFQ ZbDVYcgg335Iw== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([77.6.137.217]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MeU0k-1pS0rx0iii-00aYlU; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:39:33 +0100 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:39:31 +0100 From: Sebastian Moeller To: Dave Taht , Dave Taht via Bloat , libreqos , bloat User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9FAAD498-E02B-4780-9324-FD8883C6320E@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=----VNQXMRDEI668YIKDSCXBOMGZ071A4Z Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:L4xlK4kNddEt0V8R0EbGEisTIlxRfZBOyN6LRxZ9T7eZBGxXzKY PoJzJ9qnPuGPBergGtJYgkU0oN4vHsdhFqrlXN5HN79AqqoVDuz7rNzsgqlrk2IOmC5nmsR Mq562sbQVq9G8gheFw45soBsGvJD+RJ92ZpeVmdgOLjTL/TCaPvXMGn8VyhMClTbv/gzTlm Gffe8XRT45FlXkmGaBEEQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:4+Lf6jWb1jA=;g6hjvtzVgZowvFl6tZUNkgLBLxD jWUzOlxkVwapThSIo5nc6hjKn5d7qmYKNLL+rgvZ8Lauz5dIfx+vmZ/GfJhawVh2AT+ge6Ujc rbcOEzkbZzvb2pkgEc/42XGG07t+QkP5LMl22jdeuBQuvyZ5JgNtXZrJpTZxUvONzpvugHs8G TgjHLW9izsKQRvc12lGyWxlXjvmHQ1WjRiGGD1VPO4e6ym9AljlSiK/opfEhrNE5Lkxh9+8LP v7e23CZmIC6pSbEBWHTkJP2hsxEP7269L0LtVVg8p+NlM4zcoKxRh4dF6N8iQZHnvz4PbJ2O2 KRgJhXRn7LdgdQGMX9OBBaAYBKnVvRCL2fPUcQh+Z2S9QGAiSNsBGjdtJRUbvL77wgtayIWR8 DlJwmCl9yKiuDa18mmqCDiVVSquxEqjCr7vgBC89sZLCD4HNZdpmm7awF3HGTQ9gdMiIG4tBg lgtqaYv+TVn1xtTrIwBWVkIK9iItIFV02WbflITE8a1jsLmpaI7NOlq6edOm6FB2F36+9euI5 YQWWdOJ7HaDXIGoLHEtOBml2RyVy6nzEVkH9JHZCQbGW3fv5r8tAHWDiZlZ8PP2REgA+zIqbX /obEklrTbsjBCCGv8yPCWFVzIG+t+uA21OJUStNcmqbSFM+10idXaToFQ7DOrNNs/siC4jXjh YPgSeSI2QpE/Yc5X+F5EbRqQINE8boEI/nwMpGa8Np8i2pmZr0t+IKeqv3k/pxNmDKt9K/wql NVBhfDVadoGgO4plf2EHPNOTmKK2p1X356Yrw6egMyU7gPy302W4AESPC4MZlhlqIJonyByjo EY3rHtUdo5PRcfJBdd6kwLgTGcoI9MqCAPylFnO0ynBYL04Tn435RYwXpryJyjccy7IhSNluO 8+krYjgo6k9+MUI8ckfZWZ9LNj22KFe9MyWBObcW9X5rcyBBMAe9tZ9cKNJymp4t1WEeMrwXO sPqDE0cgBCU451U1hg9qNaqJ2jE= Subject: Re: [Bloat] summarizing the bitag latency report? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 08:39:35 -0000 ------VNQXMRDEI668YIKDSCXBOMGZ071A4Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My lightning round take: Politically: it's complicated Practically: this ain't rocket-science, just deploy competent traffic shap= ing, competent scheduling (preferably FQ) and competent AQM=2E Then you are in a fine spot to wait until the political dust settles=2E I admit only having browsed the report and that some time ago=2E=2E=2E but= a single paragraph will always be far from the text=2E On 12 November 2022 00:16:43 CET, Dave Taht via Bloat wrote: >If you were to try to summarize this *in a paragraph*, what would you say= ? > >https://www=2Ebitag=2Eorg/documents/BITAG_latency_explained=2Epdf > >(yes, I helped write this, but squeezing it down to less than 3 pages >is beyond my capabilities, much less a paragraph, and by the time we >hit the recommendations section, things had got too political to make >sane recommendations) > >Also QoS, vs QoE=2E Try to imagine explaining the need to a CFO, or >congresscritter=2E Feel free to take more than a paragraph=2E > > >--=20 >This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: >https://www=2Elinkedin=2Ecom/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-69813= 66665607352320-FXtz >Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC >_______________________________________________ >Bloat mailing list >Bloat@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet >https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet/listinfo/bloat --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------VNQXMRDEI668YIKDSCXBOMGZ071A4Z Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My lightning round take:
Politically: it's comp= licated
Practically: this ain't rocket-science, just deploy competent tr= affic shaping, competent scheduling (preferably FQ) and competent AQM=2E
Then you are in a fine spot to wait until the political dust settles= =2E


I admit only having browsed the report and that some time ag= o=2E=2E=2E but a single paragraph will always be far from the text=2E
On 12 November 2022 00:16:43 CET, Dave Taht vi= a Bloat <bloat@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet> wrote:
If you were to try to summarize this *i=
n a paragraph*, what would you say?

https://www=2Ebitag=2Eorg/d=
ocuments/BITAG_latency_explained=2Epdf

(yes, I helped write this=
, but squeezing it down to less than 3 pages
is beyond my capabilities, =
much less a paragraph, and by the time we
hit the recommendations sectio=
n, things had got too political to make
sane recommendations)

Als=
o QoS, vs QoE=2E Try to imagine explaining the need to a CFO, or
congres=
scritter=2E Feel free to take more than a paragraph=2E


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