From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EF983CB35 for ; Mon, 4 May 2020 10:09:48 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1588601387; bh=CZTd8Orb85p7xjieXeLC4k1G5W6gxxWJnKHoIpqXEpg=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=TZBdSu4s1vK5BvoyPU5T42aDGoA/zORY9gbHyAaaz7LU0wOcbbK9OkWp9CXCTmFj+ Ph1NJH1W7ptzizHtaAnNY+7OjusVnTH7bxaQlFNNofZL8JO0lrtf+71TsCKko1yv1P GzR82JQqrr1WErknHopvLsn01Agzc0bFwI0UwQWU= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [10.11.12.16] ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M5fMY-1jTyxl0YVG-007EJW; Mon, 04 May 2020 16:09:47 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: <20200504142626.1104b959@lake.home.lan> Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 16:09:46 +0200 Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9FB134D9-B180-4975-A2A4-1840F1232359@gmx.de> References: <20200504142626.1104b959@lake.home.lan> To: =?utf-8?Q?Richard_Fr=C3=B6hning?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:BC+gm1u/kLOiMSmxgciHqin7P+AuIy9R/96mSGPeo6GVhXF1qFH w+PaTVIP8v5jsUWG3LI3dfdLAYdCBII2upg1RmcV3S63GxI63bUrQ5MGur4e8Q8HhqEw9oJ Zcx1wrWsQ1luOzPKnx+A4wCJGYC96K4cE56LnBEycazBze/ENgI2vkhJ5Df4oHhTdDPIiUI gN28zqYliG9w2M4WsiHRw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:mr1Uqb9hCSU=:x+EgQhELfkNgLIbteS1Ls8 l5ux2C3SUCp6qN/vqNtNubF/hYQKY4lqRVz/GZ+0VwL6a0Cr3i3kcygGKlUixkYvcLBkdwMvq q8KHMBztUmLDJUiUdrx0OQpsEBp3JBSlQeiMqENO/oCADSOSR3jW5cjjQMJbTVJXS3VYQo3Yg P5EKShvijY46JL0NmauJdRy7cCtF/w7sFF9mZ6FYLVbg6EYePvgLWaAz0v31Jf/V02YeMnjdC Mh96+CNNAQcA4tl5k4vTxuIKti8P8hjLNqoN7CmzTBCt+aymxIXY+i7Gad95EJ1uEn6xk9W7L xN1P8hvb5lyGqbyC/+tFzEmddWc/6oGZGC8T/v9AvMcwnIdOpbh+iQcdpMdVy4PvBq46hO+Io y4njAHBhA686h6bsoo/1PRQn7/uPB2FP6oLrPT1nUPlwUtpeJ3z6lixUuk9yRNI0Wwnr8xWrZ TI9pAgtjh8xiVDwdXJFWtLOiGv24bDa9MsXZCRyGXY3YmX128RMdHXNXIsECFP9VttESRV7wZ uIPUKhntv/KtsHdwzvTsutG7y8k9+Uo9a8oGk/N0wrrzJ34wBixBVXBki9ZNf5yy6F7AY2M56 voZniF+pJ6doLOh7IQ1HZMdLyZufi9Dqmd11Q97awgwC9mr/NpBtDU9HwKsjjuKjM+q24L4hk fyPFwWExx+FDPufHhgXY/6M+3icQrgmcYQykjEWPnYobzFTG2vl1BBM+G8h0tmn3L2Tv7elPh b3y2xq2FDgLLDb9Eo7IvM3/NN2pDrq/Wh5i+P4OKqVNXaaAOOMMwYAuscD95jDGznbI9DCz3+ vBOdh0Gmpr2ut6H+Y7BBbxuVfER8VjULU90NKHd6HXfrW8I/wSdLXhL7nEJrOMQweJVzNLMVf miZ2+ST4u9qqxjPZXF8vUgCmXmjKbQoOaRRymlSctrsAFfEeuWI5RTPw/V7erbU51HCyypWXx aeU4uSa214q+TDc2YT/d5AP8fhjXmtuZje6EGr5Uou7bWNyQEk1ZQt7dcQPAn73Zk6arX7GsK AlzeEXpas2Whj0t0jPZ50Xo0BJi7tQTNnBXs3VL8AWLEFmL2FnrmRBuMKp8kvijqipPdxLL/d 4gTGdKnMAK+xhbOqD5q23S+G2u07TTl7UETWzm8Aq095OHc9j47oiURD8DHOJGalJMWuKQTLA kfw0igTfpZLaCKPMjBfmGO9NGImG9qnPT6+03+MLM9HzellReqe0nNqj+pooUuIcqS+vO62wa dbgRMRMyBqrAzOm+3 Subject: Re: [Bloat] Does it makes sense to shape traffic with 16Kbit/s up and 16Kbit/s down? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 14:09:48 -0000 At 16Kbps a full-MTU sized packet will take around (1000 ms/sec * (1500 * 8) bits/packet ) / 16000 bits/sec =3D 750 ms This is just to put things into perspective, 16Kbps is going to be both = painful and much better than no service at all.... > On May 4, 2020, at 14:26, Richard Fr=C3=B6hning = wrote: >=20 > And if so, which queue discipline would work best with it? >=20 > Background: I am forced to use my cell phone as uplink and after I > reach the monthly limit, bandwidth will be reduces to given = up/downlink > speeds. >=20 > I know Surfing websites with those speeds will take forever - however > it should be enough to send/receive emails and/or use a messenger. >=20 > Richard >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat