From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x22b.google.com (mail-qk0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27C8721F2B8 for ; Fri, 1 May 2015 19:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qkx62 with SMTP id 62so60291189qkx.0 for ; Fri, 01 May 2015 19:50:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date :to:mime-version; bh=ao/N1PBEcB7vzG3mZlueiAy/baJf5pE7QMHeb15zwkg=; b=EAgGmkg64REKaGlexRIaVid5Mul+boFdr4NsN8Yx6cVW2yhmgf0BVyVtUsQXhASjXq sucjqnjk1hk3GJ1oUkx/3OuC0Kj1fgUmf7cXlIunuBnGGpaQyb95afDE8MMcFpTmZ/0A aOOm87GaO9UER1lCzCP1nBaCWOGxDRy0Djcr/MppM5bNHIRF0SBX859LW/60zNeK9alJ /c0BsGL/SiEoPsNrfUMvf1mwObbWfqLFTz13+qhopBlbg4eow04ZREx02YPwxclWiNQS c3cE8h8l8U7+sMt4WaY1N5KVbsC8sPLVwQr6boV1Ja8ZDvorWu5CAImc4so+h+f/7iIB 6ccA== X-Received: by 10.140.27.162 with SMTP id 31mr14294909qgx.64.1430535000631; Fri, 01 May 2015 19:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from richs-mbp-11940.home.lan ([73.17.135.180]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 7sm19842336qhb.10.2015.05.01.19.49.59 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 01 May 2015 19:49:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 22:49:58 -0400 To: bloat Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Subject: [Bloat] Question about fq_codel vs modem buffers X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 May 2015 02:50:30 -0000 I posted a message about using SQM & OpenWrt on Tom's Hardware, and got = a response from someone who's somewhat knowledgeable. I'm not sure of = the proper response, so I wanted to ask here first. Here's the question = that has me stumped. = http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2615979/high-latency-person-interne= t.html#15786081 My thoughts: I know fq_codel takes control of the bottleneck by being set to a couple = percent below the fastest link speeds observed in each direction. The author of the rebuttal says that the (DSL or Cable) modem buffers = will fill up if the "upload drops from 3 to 2mbps". I can think of two = ways this can happen: - Actual link bit rate drops - Congestion/oversubscription in the head end causes effective = data rate to drop But I don't know enough about the physical characteristics of cable/dsl = links to understand how they actually work, nor how fq_codel can (or = can't) accommodate degradation. Could someone help me shape a response? Thanks. Rich