From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
Cc: bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [Bloat] DSLReports Speed Test has latency measurement built-in
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 22:15:54 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <A4772899-E8D0-4809-919C-4712B6232D2A@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zj64hsy9.fsf@toke.dk>
> On 19 Apr, 2015, at 21:30, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> wrote:
>
>>> Why not? They can be a quite useful measure of how competing traffic
>>> performs when bulk flows congest the link. Which for many
>>> applications is more important then the latency experienced by the
>>> bulk flow itself.
>>
>> One clear objection is that ICMP is often prioritised when UDP is not.
>> So measuring with UDP gives a better indication in those cases.
>> Measuring with a separate TCP flow, such as HTTPing, is better still
>> by some measures, but most truly latency-sensitive traffic does use
>> UDP.
>
> Sure, well I tend to do both. Can't recall ever actually seeing any
> performance difference between the UDP and ICMP latency measurements,
> though...
On a LAN, I usually see that ICMP gets a small bonus from being returned by the kernel rather than needing to wake up a userspace process. That might matter less when the target host is multicore; I’ve often been using an old Thinkpad as a target. In any case, it’s a constant factor without much dependence on network load.
The one ISP I know of on this side of the pond which does any prioritisation - there are many I don’t know about - prioritises small packets in general, though I don’t know where they set their threshold, specifically to help VoIP and gaming traffic. I don’t think they treat ICMP specially beyond that. But they’re a clueful one; there are many others less clueful.
Meanwhile, I’m presently (briefly) in a very rural part of Finland, where old 2G equipment (which I assume was redundant from early populated-area deployments) was relocated to improve coverage. Twenty miles from any decent-sized town, fifteen miles from the nearest 3G tower, and about 7.5 miles from any worthwhile shops (ie. that sell food). That means the local coverage is GPRS - not even EDGE. And I brought some of the more portable components of my lab with me. This should be fun…
- Jonathan Morton
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2015-04-19 12:56 jb
2015-04-19 13:10 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-19 13:53 ` jb
2015-04-19 15:38 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-19 16:38 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-19 17:15 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-19 17:43 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-19 19:22 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-23 17:03 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-23 18:04 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-23 18:08 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-23 20:19 ` jb
2015-04-23 20:39 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 21:45 ` Rich Brown
2015-04-25 1:14 ` jb
2015-04-23 21:44 ` Rich Brown
2015-04-23 22:22 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-23 22:29 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 1:58 ` Rich Brown
2015-04-24 2:40 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 3:20 ` Jim Gettys
2015-04-24 3:39 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 4:04 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 4:17 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 16:13 ` Rick Jones
2015-04-24 5:00 ` jb
2015-04-27 16:28 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-24 16:09 ` Rick Jones
2015-04-24 13:49 ` Pedro Tumusok
2015-04-23 22:51 ` David Lang
2015-04-24 1:38 ` Rich Brown
2015-04-24 4:16 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-24 4:24 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-19 17:45 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-19 18:26 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-19 18:30 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-19 19:15 ` Jonathan Morton [this message]
2015-04-20 3:15 ` Aaron Wood
2015-04-20 7:00 ` jb
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2015-04-20 8:11 ` jb
2015-04-19 19:19 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-19 21:57 ` Rich Brown
2015-04-19 23:21 ` jb
2015-04-20 14:51 ` David Lang
2015-04-20 15:51 ` Dave Taht
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2015-04-19 8:28 ` Alex Burr
2015-04-19 10:20 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-19 10:46 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-19 16:30 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-19 17:41 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-19 19:40 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-19 20:53 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-21 2:56 ` Simon Barber
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2015-04-21 9:14 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-21 14:20 ` David Lang
2015-04-21 14:25 ` David Lang
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2015-04-21 22:13 ` jb
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2015-04-22 2:14 ` Simon Barber
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2015-04-22 14:32 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-22 17:35 ` David Lang
2015-04-23 1:37 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-24 16:54 ` David Lang
2015-04-24 17:00 ` Rick Jones
2015-04-21 9:37 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-21 10:35 ` jb
2015-04-22 4:04 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-22 4:28 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 8:51 ` [Bloat] RE : " luca.muscariello
2015-04-22 13:50 ` [Bloat] " Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 14:09 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-22 15:26 ` [Bloat] RE : " luca.muscariello
2015-04-22 15:44 ` [Bloat] " Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 16:35 ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-22 17:16 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-22 17:24 ` Steinar H. Gunderson
2015-04-22 17:28 ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-22 17:45 ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-23 5:27 ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-23 6:48 ` Eric Dumazet
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2015-04-23 10:08 ` jb
2015-04-24 8:18 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-24 8:29 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-24 8:55 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-24 9:02 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-24 13:32 ` jb
2015-04-24 13:58 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-24 16:51 ` David Lang
2015-04-25 3:15 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-25 4:04 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-25 4:26 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-25 6:03 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-27 16:39 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-28 7:18 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-28 8:01 ` David Lang
2015-04-28 8:19 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-28 15:42 ` David Lang
2015-04-28 8:38 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-28 12:09 ` Rich Brown
2015-04-28 15:26 ` David Lang
2015-04-28 15:39 ` David Lang
2015-04-28 11:04 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-28 11:49 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-28 12:24 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-04-28 13:44 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-28 19:09 ` Rick Jones
2015-04-28 14:06 ` Dave Taht
2015-04-28 14:02 ` Dave Taht
2015-05-06 5:08 ` Simon Barber
2015-05-06 8:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-06 15:30 ` Jim Gettys
2015-05-06 18:03 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-06 20:25 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-06 20:43 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-05-07 7:33 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-07 4:29 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 7:08 ` jb
2015-05-07 7:18 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-05-07 7:24 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 7:40 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-07 9:16 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 10:44 ` jb
2015-05-07 11:36 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-07 11:44 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 13:10 ` Jim Gettys
2015-05-07 13:18 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 13:14 ` jb
2015-05-07 13:26 ` Neil Davies
2015-05-07 14:45 ` Simon Barber
2015-05-07 22:27 ` Dave Taht
2015-05-07 22:45 ` Dave Taht
2015-05-07 23:09 ` Dave Taht
2015-05-08 2:05 ` jb
2015-05-08 4:16 ` David Lang
2015-05-08 3:54 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-05-08 4:20 ` Dave Taht
2015-05-07 7:37 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-05-07 7:19 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2015-05-07 6:19 ` Sebastian Moeller
2015-04-25 3:23 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-24 15:20 ` Bill Ver Steeg (versteb)
2015-04-25 2:24 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-23 10:17 ` renaud sallantin
2015-04-23 14:10 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-23 14:38 ` renaud sallantin
2015-04-23 15:52 ` Jonathan Morton
2015-04-23 16:00 ` Simon Barber
2015-04-23 13:17 ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-22 18:22 ` Eric Dumazet
2015-04-19 12:14 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2015-04-19 0:57 Rich Brown
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2015-04-20 14:33 ` Colin Dearborn
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2015-04-19 12:21 ` jb
2015-04-19 9:17 ` MUSCARIELLO Luca IMT/OLN
2015-04-19 12:03 ` jb
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