From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x22e.google.com (mail-lf0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AC033CB48 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:39:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lf0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id t79so21768433lfe.3 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 10:39:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=0SBT5BbOjwuHRzFdUXPLuaogPDe6rhLkRInAO6nfZZo=; b=IET5i1mq6u0UegiJjevjOU28NpOIKI3jV9V76hcnycX832F0HeQOK7p8cgCOhvuEsQ Gxk5ihQ74UH3+s0gYB2fkzIfx9FpcAJf/wukDVkeP1FaRbQ0C0u8uzR+/wzEDKOONU39 d9YJs8JGveaD9Qhmy1NoxYh2L33Z4SgEd7LB8+pNsUVvfIznS/ggBNfINHNMIyn7B7LA 4J8EqYrO8XHe1b9URNT1ocYjV9QOtvL9PNEoBWhB84yW4GLKdlojkBAXXScBiN6yiRxF 9d1XN6yYolU7MeWZK1LQEB4MoAQCCCeypZuZOaHDrAunE9jNfHpzPsqmYFa8WmVmAzn5 IPTg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=0SBT5BbOjwuHRzFdUXPLuaogPDe6rhLkRInAO6nfZZo=; b=rP7PqBZXPUSycWad7ACTqRfE+slvUFKiFYNRRVZn/Hby8vhEfz8729RbRsBGaMKEyM FbyzYOCQmEA2eoGK/u0vK6MEHFzpNsVDQQLFbN22VTY/nLMoPJnFE+MYSU1/3k9O17Xn cHzrt8BXAF/PgoY96uPFUJjOqXiNiolme0O6RB+2k7fg4pr6xsmk+RaMKPFId0/tMA06 Re3HMYDLpE2FHJMcosJlutYMLTRXwip+6hJfyDwQtNLaoLehF3B+SUq0NAz4fmOF6lqX KxuOb2/3ciuvIztbaMyU8pVJpXrK9j9M/9aHQ5FxyjX6RhaDbTisycA5lW2MkULcn2ww AWcw== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPDUTWOiCHDVz0Dr1wGUMRPQF2VEcMehTZW0QceRnGDYRky/FNci 95c1aw5tRPQXDfsM40UVdRs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x224K+pbkKifa+XP2Tl+yNi0jOllhdnWgFzkVxtbi4L47T3t/MDfr22iamzD6Q/rH+CxoXgpfbQ== X-Received: by 10.46.77.70 with SMTP id a67mr7761410ljb.100.1518460795425; Mon, 12 Feb 2018 10:39:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.239.216] (83-245-233-185-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.233.185]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d27sm1203531lfb.61.2018.02.12.10.39.54 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 12 Feb 2018 10:39:54 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 20:39:52 +0200 Cc: erik.taraldsen@telenor.com, bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1518444596433.8187@telenor.com> To: Jim Gettys X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) Subject: Re: [Bloat] The Blind Men and the Elephant. X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 18:39:56 -0000 > On 12 Feb, 2018, at 4:36 pm, Jim Gettys wrote: >=20 > Anyone on the list a budding poet, interested in taking my text and = composing a poem > something like the original by Saxe? That would be quite a hoot, if = it can be done. I can make a start: It was few men of industry, To learning much inclined, Who sought to fix the Internet, (With market share in mind), That evil of congestion, Might soon be left behind. Definitely, the pipe-men say, A wider link we laud, For congestion occurs only When bandwidth exceeds baud. If only the reverse were true, We would all live like lords. [...] And so these men of industry, Disputed loud and long, Each in his own opinion, Exceeding stiff and strong, Though each was partly in the right, Yet mostly in the wrong! So, oft in technologic wars, The disputants, I ween, Rail on in utter ignorance, Of what each other mean, And prate about an Internet, Not one of them has seen! Let's see if I can fill in a few more stanzas... - Jonathan Morton