From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk0-x236.google.com (mail-qk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76FBD3B2A2 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 09:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qk0-x236.google.com with SMTP id x190so101385966qkb.0 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 06:09:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date:to :mime-version; bh=a71EVJUBH5JW97y8N0EuLk19pZZSOuOS63qXEGHw+f0=; b=GJlSzfixhFMmMepELcosuxXIOp81yF9D99BiKDuzmK7eXtoq4cSIPvKOUd0OK2g39w iAUQk3yuTXRe6dtaZRD/uDA4Www2kAeNLK5DKUBuzeZwdhY8ae1mlKJSAP3YIu+nM91b WJGb5wsKAnzErn+2ZGbjHGUC77aBc9eqGB0K/BCXemiYQJ7VGX1ag4uIjPCReGS4Jlz4 vwxO+4OK2WW5ML19zg67Gj3XhRYOSui6mQ5wvYxwBorYgeBlEnTgDYCMsH9+1bbqItb4 ikhimJOk8Y1wzlLz1OnYifGnw0kKHA7cOoTJnl2ZLkuHk0H2QfYRZOivL/IxPht8eKx3 fAGw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:subject :message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=a71EVJUBH5JW97y8N0EuLk19pZZSOuOS63qXEGHw+f0=; b=KqWNLbUZplTkQ8DA2upXnxE1N8Oq9s6YwkuLDmZUHAEo+j79iThsLHaeBQyvwqHSx1 klGdZXMlva1Qcuu2UN2uTMIaAozB2zu3S8tJDl1g2C7UhPz63/ZDU5kwkd2QZssp7h85 JrP12rRT556SJm2wMLNzMBmgn2oeSdbuftEYNLlhXlrZHPg2gQFEF2gfJJW1Pxm9fs7I TTRV9HF6cK8KvImcFOImNNuKeEEn4QYi8svKX8AwNKacLFakCpXumTU+Kao7b3DC48oJ 7+agJazcvTav45k6UXbcbKPxAW48YPSBanlE/An60FjkPN29Ze1PRqV4VeGjfXFdZYDl 6gAQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC02FyMXZkl71BTMCAeoyZ2DFkvv7rHxFCJ1Zlzpxuf/0nv4yzTcedyhL8FhXUach+Q== X-Received: by 10.55.187.65 with SMTP id l62mr12439017qkf.270.1480169339841; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 06:08:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from richs-mbp-6659.lan (d-ptld-bng1-64-222-154-203.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net. [64.222.154.203]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y16sm18219293qka.32.2016.11.26.06.08.58 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 26 Nov 2016 06:08:58 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 09:08:57 -0500 To: bloat , Jonathan Foulkes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Subject: [Bloat] COTS router with OpenWrt X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 14:09:00 -0000 I have been exchanging a few emails with Jonathan Foulkes from = evenroute.com. He tells me that his company is installing OpenWrt on a = commercial, off the shelf (COTS) TP-Link router and selling them on = commercially. His "secret sauce" is an auto-update facility and improved = setup software, which includes a rate-detection step that operates = continually to adjust the fq_codel parameters to the actual line rate. = You can take a look at IQrouter.com, or look them up on Amazon. This might be a solution to our current conundrum about not having an = easy solution that solves our family's networking problem. I'm going to = get one of these and try it out. He has been following our bufferbloat and make-fifi-fast work closely, = as well as the work on LEDE, which he'll consider once it hits a stable = point. I have invited him to join this list.=20 Welcome, Jonathan.