From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0C303B2A4 for ; Wed, 3 Feb 2021 04:42:30 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1612345347; bh=o/tbO+da+8iFhXK61MCD2YZhAXuUN/wa2TthmU2CA2w=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=PP6E/1qKPsvIMpBABCAh4d/Qj4KSzEfuBxjTk7xi0lmLB36OZ9ANNvbPU616PNvR4 aL7Z0oIugQrC2bzKbFe1+eHkY2fd8glKxy6/WzPHUoR6/mmpaO6NkZdf/+xGCBRkAs hUz/QIv10nd6cTkE8VeWeKVm9/ajkKCfYZdJvi+s= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.250.106] ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N3se8-1m6rp51iLY-00zjkP; Wed, 03 Feb 2021 10:42:27 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 10:42:26 +0100 Cc: Jonathan Foulkes , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <73E3C254-1415-4E69-839E-A6AE01146473@jonathanfoulkes.com> To: =?utf-8?Q?Dave_T=C3=A4ht?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:yBnCZLCj9G9QWDE2nRx2+IomgsOnjHns7rISSDFKxGFWBGPx3WS Q2IC3CBLbQ0HVOctfI748nXrmVrUlHfesAZJWCbGhYR+v7IBLvTHI7UPGKjQZ3e5dqS2+ER RExlkr4UrlvblmJoqtV0ceQteNL/1orV4qiyUIGUUiCbv5gTtuHHrl8BpOPbUfpOeIZOI3p kZ2mpoYOh8Yld2dATKWqg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:1sQg/xsRquc=:ijXm5rr+uGlmegY9q+I3ay hC2hRFn4GuGHI7kSfZSwfY1J5Xzf9V/mVhE8KcZpgccZW/DV358FChkNgKPqH2vST2VjHebhc f5n3AWNv4W4K4ySAvahOYfx9LnNYc1YF0MO2pKzJ5ItG2tm29nAFSf/50ttXiyjWVxm8i4MAd zjOr21Kh5OZCZ2MrQT+RdhMCWDfUFAoZ2/hCSGbscNBHp8Q//NiZFfAeFAJmjXubJb/M5jjUF Briyjw4QLWqAv3oVqRdRHKYvhtNPq2P8GQlospVRGQvhP6zf6YKYN93pTQWx4Jks1F0jxisY2 kMXsmXyOBYLohHQG/jP4t6Tery8u8N0Vsh47Cq8MrfQAD1sp4/uu1/1TxF84cjEhJ+L5XOOvn MEQp/kXnOziSdPNGtATz9L/Dxf9QkT7UOnnPZn1OV3qQrCT+kkN8Q5hJCPyELt4R++hOIQHRn RZcfm9DdsPxRpe6Ic33x7nwQ+TlSjMYXBjcRZWdI0uZFShz451hbQZpPcoSgorpUCOiLVEKlP yO77EA9yD7kiOtr0u1iB9CMzytUj/dwSylYGS5QYGgCO4Mr9Fq3pEYE5MxPlAJC06rv+lzjFy Go67KLytFiBbqWIbIG5jEpf7lgkR+knR/Xqy059SAjE1DegJiWTcf0IdrJqv+NnwcrUMvbB5d YF8hw5waRT2bYBZAcdt+3pDMM6ygrp9K2gOxonqhkseIkON9mlAB3+DXoZmAe4VN9gCUNh/G1 FEUHZxG3tbsvOgO5FYsMhZqim1uRqry1SC9dET0gTklZUqucx6V/XaMiLj/XF05x6R0uGktgp AqiMJTM+k9ATIhCYJAgOuHubAO2L7yXwg3Buk624w+rF6m4yUdxDt2zOYDIsBbYJR13eRoGxG fW0JYXI5UBZhdCzJ5Opg== Subject: Re: [Bloat] waveform bufferbloat test is GOOOD X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 09:42:31 -0000 Hi Dave, I wonder what is going on with the reported latencies. I see negative = latency numbers indicating that the report is presenting a difference, = maybe unloaded minus the direction under tests? My tests with SQM also = report the unloaded latency figure ion the top right as 0ms (while my = link forces A >=3D12ms RTT to the first IP address after my router). I = would guess that there is still some development going on and hopefully = that will be fixed. Best Regards Sebastian > On Feb 2, 2021, at 17:27, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > Regrettably my joy only lasted a few hours, as there was confirmation > bias. Try it with sqm off or on. Running a complete battery of tests > now. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 5:55 AM Jonathan Foulkes = wrote: >>=20 >> Excellent, nice to see another comprehensive test. >> I also like that they list the IQrouter in the set of routers that = mitigate bloat ;-) >>=20 >> Since I recently shared the DSLreports test from my line, here is the = same line tested via this new site: >> = https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=3Df10cfe50-6dd2-4ae3-9b= 40-dedd2b5087c6 >>=20 >> Nice to see that A+ and zeros for bloat. >>=20 >> for reference, the dslreports test: = https://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/67140120 >>=20 >> Cheers, >>=20 >> Jonathan >>=20 >> On Feb 1, 2021, at 10:33 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >>=20 >> = https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=3Dbea9f548-086a-4a74-bb= de-b05b33f689a2 >>=20 >> I am very happy with this test, and I must admit, if it was discussed >> here, already, I must have missed the thread. Not only is the test >> well structured and fast - and some people like whisker plots more >> than me, my blessed cdfs, & the FAQ is brilliant. >>=20 >> https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat#erid5407983 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over = public >> relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman >>=20 >> dave@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729 >> _______________________________________________ >> Bloat mailing list >> Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public > relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled" - Richard Feynman >=20 > dave@taht.net CTO, TekLibre, LLC Tel: 1-831-435-0729 > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat