From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qk1-x72b.google.com (mail-qk1-x72b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE90C3B29D for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 10:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x72b.google.com with SMTP id t190so7318316qke.7 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 07:25:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:message-id:date :to; bh=r6IkihVkxjevYB7WtoNnWnu6VaS770jDzX5dsg63irU=; b=F/X1dpc1smBkdlb8VYw9ySRcHz89XTPU4xFuCljdfXY8qJngU94Uc2ChtU3oLGjtS8 CwgoGy+XGY7e6p6ZU3fwADdTEs7eqRBO7Wuu1B1O9GK8nVt92nqEvczDGmzBnsd47nyY 3gvE6E9veJ2Jw/Z5+SbV1IEjPS8NibPW0kb8XxvIVUuMR4zQIhh3IwJSo6S0CweC39c+ 2/0wZWXxwL3k083ypil0lxxG8kFZxYOza5wCAdegEWcdCbZtYR5PvCHIDXUyPJbrr9mL GebreGaaBTlBD18EzxjJ92afjAgC7pzLxJ9Dl9WgXBCoxoLMpk1CzYDpGRut/Ow8V469 x3+Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:message-id:date:to; bh=r6IkihVkxjevYB7WtoNnWnu6VaS770jDzX5dsg63irU=; b=X4iwx156VFp+EQOcUyepvFCDpvsSvFE8MzS7PB6hJGt2uO3FEOSq/UFO/6SW22oOFq RCj+R5Vsr/CKxJ2VaemlXt8cuMh4DWf8y11u14LESgV07yOxy0GkniGPdoQFQ9hFN62l eJg0jYa4wbcIImzP3SSqqPWk7M7k/eLG/KbaF0nlFylhsjFurRHE9YZXFpx/rH1B0Yu6 NFwWeCRh6Qn9qfbKs7DiFqffJ/douVfN5D0Pz699hSWE/OTz+0kBwpMA26yi2ZypC3Ju GI+gwQESbxTD4TEg7aiCJC3oYbTLm/Mhdcx1U2K2DcCXVRz4EP1ijIwXMu00FB8fYOaT ZPZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530kijPXlGQyZ7F08k9chp02/bskj5njegscsRcaORVl0Yc2kOnQ fqEBse5B4/WSuwQ4voIwI7+9rFQIQhReUA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJys6CBO2E52YgR5dq/77mpevfU54gKD8amx1eLNLmLgirkXs6tEbHRjACj4oI8wXQZ2wWmhBQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:15b9:: with SMTP id f25mr9201093qkk.400.1630074304197; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 07:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from richs-mbp-pro.lan ([198.55.239.186]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q11sm4752354qkm.56.2021.08.27.07.25.03 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 27 Aug 2021 07:25:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 10:25:03 -0400 To: bloat X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Subject: [Bloat] Slowly ... slowly ... the word is getting out... X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 14:25:04 -0000 Yet another anecdote: Google Alerts for "bufferbloat" showed me this: = https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/comments/pb7jpc/bufferbloat_latency_while_= streaming_on_mi_aiot/ > > ... Currently, I am using the Mi R3 (very old) and while it is = better than my ISP's one that doesn't even have QoS, it's not amazing = like fq_codel or cake... > ... Short answer: no, not even close to fq-codel, and qos is mostly = garbage... Five (or maybe even two) years ago, the comments would have been = virulently pro-QoS, impugning your manhood for not getting it set up = properly for whatever combination of games, apps, etc. you were running. Now people on Reddit are actively talking about SQM as the right = solution to the problem. Maybe the tide is turning. Rich PS That doesn't mean that we should stop blowing our own horn on this, = trying to spread the word more broadly...=