From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lj1-x22b.google.com (mail-lj1-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67E5A3B29D for ; Sun, 23 May 2021 17:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x22b.google.com with SMTP id e11so30831357ljn.13 for ; Sun, 23 May 2021 14:02:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Xih4zCWnAtNkNiUp7sN0sViJiGxrs5ZEyTNpGVurQAw=; b=gHXj37KSTq5+HC2QJUBUpAytX7/gVKivv6DDk839OZVjBz0fUUnSNX9bWqGeqcaWdm Bk8HIsXRSdechOHazyzcsej7o7WpYfQvmfSjLyblXhy7+XxDnp2lX8lZjQfz6ybj5Ch9 h5CKWsdFhVW7yXey3+UGMHaS1nThzRHLxE97Q1HGNHP6oEexzIdI9oj1jlNtUUAmGbGF 0GB61sv8nhN4u3PMCz3Nz8Gh+9J7w+hrSsn8f2rQKbgw+Ohz/uJC5V8dLtQA6lEi1kMZ sG0tb70eF0QHyJmaEkRCH0KKiadwiaJaeD4mkRO/uFxQEPZeSwpAwuVqBQ4CSK6LB2eT JvlA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Xih4zCWnAtNkNiUp7sN0sViJiGxrs5ZEyTNpGVurQAw=; b=aUdlYo3oIlTMmEJcnTXoe6QswuvmdRN7KrnwbgqgFfwfA704hS9Fl7eIZ176uH+M3n h655VaESYV132YZ4dioicmq8jcwYTWKrfcFGVItjbFJ5zUAVqRKWEsP8noo8I6NfN1iX i5sgsEPJEZ44uKdR1sWwoNWAPU9HArCwSbuaAeKzL3lbN3zhVQ1cjko4FiPVqPqVn+Vl pXhS7zLoRrkeGNTF06UK2tvKajs9+ptmv8FOAkDros0FdKWR8rlZOrpj7UT8MXqUuRs9 s9+n3ZkhyjjIsDVS5nnIIt8tx+Th14aXiR+mCfK9qgf4CwROXn8XYpZGhIT93tz7njwS xT8Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531V5wqiZK96LRyPTnv0b2+9bZoLBn9hsLDaaBZCH9RK5NxWVgMs E339TPEQm3EHpXx/M2w4ypoC3xxga00= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw0uhKZ0rX915plwCZwmnm7GtnVr0sQHaZU5RxoENWA3cYAmTQsditDUIXjZhFyagj1kQHCCg== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:91cb:: with SMTP id u11mr14605987ljg.83.1621803727032; Sun, 23 May 2021 14:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (37-136-237-77.rev.dnainternet.fi. [37.136.237.77]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 6sm1246640lfz.189.2021.05.23.14.02.06 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 23 May 2021 14:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.7\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 00:02:05 +0300 Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <7FBA3F6F-CBA1-4B19-B48F-10927EDA17A9@gmail.com> To: Erik Auerswald X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.7) Subject: Re: [Bloat] Educate colleges on tcp vs udp X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 21:02:08 -0000 > On 23 May, 2021, at 9:47 pm, Erik Auerswald = wrote: >=20 > As an additional point to consider when pondering whether to > use TCP or UDP: >=20 > To mitigate that simple request-response protocols using UDP > lend themselves to being abused for reflection and amplification=E2=80=A6= I suspect such considerations are well beyond the level of education = requested here. I think what was being asked for was "how do these = protocols work, and why do they work that way, in language suitable for = people working in a different field", rather than "which one should I = use for X application". - Jonathan Morton=