From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-11-iad.dyndns.com (mxout-134-iad.mailhop.org [216.146.32.134]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556012E0182 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2011 00:56:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from scan-12-iad.mailhop.org (scan-12-iad.local [10.150.0.209]) by mail-11-iad.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C2717029C for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:56:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 209.85.161.171 Received: from mail-gx0-f171.google.com (mail-gx0-f171.google.com [209.85.161.171]) by mail-11-iad.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5885F170278 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2011 08:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so1599805gxk.16 for ; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 00:56:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=V4HllDEzce9HZFSa2eDxAwNrvxRZgmaL3mJ42PTZxGA=; b=adzR/q46H6A0cqdVhsTP/syzySgac3EuUrNjUAIhDaybExeabKudVH3jKoZXZfqrmQ +L8hbDCgy3aO3BIOTefuv3LpARSMX1TEHW1rIuND2+0hxwgp0V0cZtw1eNIv/VQg3H5o ZDiHuZIHBcdWsncb1xucdznFHhHZ7TaEnMNws= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rJCy8asx3SqROc/hXGPSpb+FfOc7yC4oLsVIS6eqqXnp5HwYh0LfW+Qn7ArEHbj6Gy K4NpZOGUsyEG+knXicU7t/xBLySFxh2pof9t2eklT1PjRAQijrjzbr1nxxfnoYVgCsqQ 5inqV29didNQvxDKegr22NDZaqWCp+YMoFs7Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.108.41 with SMTP id p29mr10361yhg.21.1297069003900; Mon, 07 Feb 2011 00:56:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.108.41 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Feb 2011 00:56:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87oc6pf4bc.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> References: <87oc6pf4bc.fsf@cruithne.co.teklibre.org> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 09:56:43 +0100 Message-ID: From: Luca Dionisi To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dave_T=E4ht?= , bufferbloat list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [Bloat] The wireless problem in a nutshell X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 08:56:47 -0000 On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Dave T=E4ht wrote: > I personally regard the wireless packet loss burst problem as completely > intractable for long TCP links without using proxies - or insane amounts > of buffering. Is this particular aspect going to be different once that nRED is complete? I mean, if you were in a mesh network, primarily made of wireless links, where the RTT becomes easily high, how could you make TCP links to behave right? --Luca