From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-21-ewr.dyndns.com (mxout-177-ewr.mailhop.org [216.146.33.177]) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EDB52E03A7 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 01:34:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from scan-22-ewr.mailhop.org (scan-22-ewr.local [10.0.141.244]) by mail-21-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEAF488A for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 09:33:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Score: -1.0 () X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 209.85.213.43 Received: from mail-yw0-f43.google.com (mail-yw0-f43.google.com [209.85.213.43]) by mail-21-ewr.dyndns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099BF3F7F for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 09:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywi6 with SMTP id 6so1896804ywi.16 for ; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 01:33:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.8.27 with SMTP id l27mr2811067ani.130.1298972022039; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 01:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.33.20 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 01:33:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20110301091858.GA4446@domone> References: <1298930176.15371.51.camel@amd.pacdat.net> <1298948257.12452.1424819733@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4D6CA21E.2000005@visser.name> <20110301091858.GA4446@domone> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 11:33:42 +0200 Message-ID: From: Steve Davies To: =?ISO-8859-2?B?T25k+GVqIELtbGth?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636b2b176f26804049d687d94 Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] Usage Based Billing - It's All About Perceived Congestion X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 09:34:27 -0000 --001636b2b176f26804049d687d94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2011/3/1 Ond=C5=99ej B=C3=ADlka > If ISP wanted be nice to customers then it could after quota exceeded > shape 64kbit/s+ available residual bandwidth > > "Residual bandwidth" in our markets. Haha. Interestingly our bandwidth caps have created this sense of "I bought it so I'm going to use it". So yesterday for instance my 3G HSPA+ service from CellC - advertised performance 21Mb - was delivering throughput of about 100Kb at best. That's because everyone was trying to "use up" their remaining cap. Conveniently for CellC it would be impossible to use much bandwidth at such a low speed. Of course its rare to see more than 2Mb eve= n at better times. Steve Davies (South African Internet user) --001636b2b176f26804049d687d94 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2011/3/1 Ond=C5=99ej B=C3=ADlka <neleai@seznam.cz><= /span>
If ISP wanted be nice to customers then it could after quota exceeded
shape 64kbit/s+ available residual bandwidth


&= quot;Residual bandwidth" in our markets.=C2=A0 Haha.

Interestin= gly our bandwidth caps have created this sense of "I bought it so I= 9;m going to use it".=C2=A0 So yesterday for instance my 3G HSPA+ serv= ice from CellC - advertised performance 21Mb - was delivering throughput of= about 100Kb at best.=C2=A0 That's because everyone was trying to "= ;use up" their remaining cap.=C2=A0 Conveniently for CellC it would be= impossible to use much bandwidth at such a low speed.=C2=A0 Of course its = rare to see more than 2Mb even at better times.

Steve Davies
(South African Internet user)

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