From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf1-x130.google.com (mail-lf1-x130.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C1B53BA8E for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lf1-x130.google.com with SMTP id u18so17854696lff.10 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 14:36:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=M4vM29Az0guIVIgMsreiP6G1/0SFp21bbliakKle1Tw=; b=Y5BfLWBRzR9lwE03VFJ6xVzOo4kULvOp001sWjsz7BWlUZSbAnez1qzL3AswuY/X6U Rm5BREItqc9nrS0OwR+gD5MAVdvGzBQVoOUS3LtiRz4fG8obCwZIc+bHAIwk5svWcdOw B0cVpNarv4Oq8uAz/F/kSt/YCl7MKTo08PD+7hae/y38pqObzfxB5tM8xO9mDzrcTVBh aT5gHAR7T2vb62rdUciEyFShUEtipwJMv8NInDOHHVjQya2oXns21OqpJDTjHOKGAgkk RaoBEXJH7z9SnA8C0OGJQ8KYN9kuczAaC2R7OjWXGQ9bgM/ZIHHufxSGvZph+esCyYUG SdeQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=M4vM29Az0guIVIgMsreiP6G1/0SFp21bbliakKle1Tw=; b=sBZ5q6VzKHE/UqC3qTsOkpIc/kDSKgLaGRuntFaM2iA6R4z002BMnXoNSEAXLSluYR S3E4cXlZ7g2hOH7IfouFWetJk5jnyXTP06EQJt1dk8qEkFVeG+bahHjTLT1u+bO16cfI hfWxm0j+TJPkjjtKYh6YEiRY73Psro6KaanRL+1DJBoOMXKRricS7y+8TgZwb0i6Nhh2 l4clxlT1l1ey6Mbt9bxOV2ktd3xNk/a5DrFhKBTy5Pe1Mdl/I6WYZf8ESYMtHoTCzJNn YJe9B7EWnisUNxwjZ1xIk0PG/GGDC5ZK4PFdOQ3mjDZX0CtJwjho8Yiipv0+/rvcIUmk QfJw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbWDZqmVAD8q0Y2damGJO32mNjd3qOiwSIYRW0Qh6ucK0ZTEoXd HLPUoH56Y13s+L8SiRDDTH2iz82iQew= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/UtBss3LKYEQtIOCSTzDoOx21da1RQYzA+TYv0Yvt1hszRZEDvc30qEliHphJbpEnJpT+cGcQ== X-Received: by 2002:a19:d90c:: with SMTP id q12mr5014792lfg.24.1543358198781; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 14:36:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from jonathartonsmbp.lan (83-245-236-220-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi. [83.245.236.220]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 4-v6sm783928ljw.84.2018.11.27.14.36.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 27 Nov 2018 14:36:38 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: <2DAA554D-04AD-4C63-ADE8-338BA68C9F16@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 00:36:25 +0200 Cc: Dave Taht , bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <6C1479A8-43E8-4F89-BCEA-1D28CA3E8589@heistp.net> <87r2fbzrng.fsf@taht.net> <4FB37CD5-0DAB-479E-8C8C-671D442D668E@akamai.com> <20181127103114.3f403d8a@xeon-e3> <2DAA554D-04AD-4C63-ADE8-338BA68C9F16@gmail.com> To: Pete Heist X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Subject: Re: [Bloat] one benefit of turning off shaping + fq_codel X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 22:36:41 -0000 Just to add - I think the biggest impediment to experimentation in = asynchronous logic is the complete absence of convenient Muller = C-element gates in the 74-series logic family. If you want to build = some, I recommend using NAND and OR gates as inputs to active-low SR = flipflops. - Jonathan Morton