From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from sender4-op-o12.zoho.com (sender4-op-o12.zoho.com [136.143.188.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADADF3CB37 for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2022 17:10:45 -0400 (EDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1666991443; cv=none; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; b=EMrQ9p/AyywZYub75G/4bG9zPQK1b5MWdwn4oCLYQiECrK1UtTrdaFGVIWw8bZOS/iZacvnafdLnJ+y+wv0x60uqjIrzJLKccDMA3+2iW3lIhGZRJL4LrR0AWGPGISVhGiF49oklaJl/alltjV/J2AiPXKTke+wSQ2bTUKCDgbg= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; t=1666991443; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:References:Subject:To; bh=q4MpvgHQoV30Q12aWZTkM03AEXKmUIaKV5IeIj0H/Jw=; b=RTtHQTgwLzhv2VTH1fCZ65raBcuSvXOeYl86pSpfPq9bIWEIsezvFg0IHUU7WF0rRQKvI39g63az5vn2CrTLgzZZ5W2N2qVJ/QDllXvBc+lsF9OsPOo9mUMRyaDk7A9fXDOYWjzmmh9v0Z8j3sJmGosVvGqmD4CPOFQspE0P6Ls= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zohomail.com; dkim=pass header.i=jonathanfoulkes.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=jf@jonathanfoulkes.com; dmarc=pass header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1666991443; s=zoho; d=jonathanfoulkes.com; i=jf@jonathanfoulkes.com; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:Subject:From:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Date:Cc:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Message-Id:References:To:To:Reply-To; bh=q4MpvgHQoV30Q12aWZTkM03AEXKmUIaKV5IeIj0H/Jw=; b=SATqvNVtJEHRWNwJub+M0G7puuSdcwmzsTLyVm2cE8L1MOD9rD6lEH6KhP4sqdQH hK88k0mmlckIFBXaJReXoNk45crJA+EwuF9K9sYXhVo8Ad1eaXUKMvB2K0He4NIaDcs IDj3u86BpJR32QlvPv1IMfjkTY1ej64X7aOxbEdk= Received: from smtpclient.apple (h12.17.96.50.static.ip.windstream.net [50.96.17.12]) by mx.zohomail.com with SMTPS id 1666991442490198.12197084702734; Fri, 28 Oct 2022 14:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.200.110.1.12\)) From: "jf@jonathanfoulkes.com" In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 17:10:30 -0400 Cc: bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.200.110.1.12) X-ZohoMailClient: External Subject: Re: [Bloat] where home 5G can go south X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 21:10:46 -0000 We=E2=80=99ve observed growing variability on some TMHI setups from our = fleet, and it seems there is a correlation to usage growth on a single = tower. Seems neighbors talk to hear other after all ;-) And yes, horrible bufferbloat on these variable capacity links. > The author switched to verizon, but what guarantees of continued > reliability does one have? It seems none ATM, as it really depends on user density vs tower = capacity. Woe to those that share a tower with a busy highway, =E2=80=98ru= sh hour=E2=80=99 likely means low capacity and even higher latencies. Cheers, Jonathan Foulkes > On Oct 27, 2022, at 11:37 PM, Dave Taht via Bloat = wrote: >=20 > This had some details as to the things that could go wrong from an > initial happy install of t-mobile, to something terrible. >=20 > The author switched to verizon, but what guarantees of continued > reliability does one have? >=20 > = https://blog.networkprofile.org/redundant-wan-ditching-t-mobile-5g-for-ver= izon-5g/ >=20 > (both services had horrible bufferbloat) >=20 >=20 > --=20 > This song goes out to all the folk that thought Stadia would work: > = https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dtaht_the-mushroom-song-activity-6981366665= 607352320-FXtz > Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat