From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C21913B29D for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2023 09:37:05 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1699195024; x=1699799824; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=j39fmonSwLRfqavueS6tDjuXphoI4H9ZDrGMJCME+hc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:Subject:Date:To; b=CUmb9O62xttigheBZFwx0Er6vm9zZyZJX9nRsmZ2Kf73hK4qTra8ZeuU/9Bu87iv QE5RVftzDTPaprznWzWDS17lD9TwMrt5AwJjHsulI2mNenz3i1ZpvQgiUAOgirQHP QjvUBR/PpNT9VbPq5/r2XFjOMNk5Z+SHLR2W3YeKUeghWwZyirxLy5H9Qaxnw2nIu lK1JH0IJSFIdwX2/RP/Q7bO1ADzmCqQr8nVSzj4CH19iw97VCbY93TJze2urbmhg1 nJuHUzANJh4PTHrnPN2z2HNoqq++1xCZsBgw6x8QWewIldXiLZwSE6yZOFOUb8RUT sUFqo+nVeQBTru6ofQ== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from smtpclient.apple ([95.116.141.52]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N6KUd-1rWHGL2D7Z-016ePT for ; Sun, 05 Nov 2023 15:37:04 +0100 From: Sebastian Moeller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.4\)) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 15:37:03 +0100 To: bloat X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.4) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:r8VWE7R2t2k3HrJhoXAAzynBrhFncswkc2oL6f1SlOTFYNvOgGi iqBEojE+5eFOaWXZ54KLdykoY3yDd2oNIrzy82O1t/dzMp9AX85N3fGS2oO3Jl4U+VbGbMN jPYTImMIZLVRgRTO6ZgnpJ4sZfCQ+A7UkIBFZpHqhZXnfp/m+TUCW/nCvYPh+x5sPYaMEJI yFF+/5KqsfcnZB0EhJiVA== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:CoyjHQPdUAw=;ZpWWtAaskHLaPkuVw8vrfsqN8jc qdqg153TzmFLgt9AbGvVmJ88z9tbiM1s/kQ6PeWcVUy5e4wHXscKkvdnP5pJnM8yYOJ6xmgfF lYo3GzGTOqO8LhQlCJl8a/ihvGcmsp+nzvYCG/ezoxMKbjU8RzyM2o27I4TSHWyHTBCeG5fbh zRrvtTmKsJqqxwWsG91m2cafZEg5AzKags7M5KXHTW0QhgILtz+RRoiSBkokZZAarzfEjYVdU 8+cnsnL0foeFg8jxh5YpBWZ2hLqlkCtQ7c90K/SnDOCwaqc6wR6AaF5DrsTYYG3GeEdoq+A/S qjnH7xp2TuDD9YbZYU8cse6iB1/NtOEzEeNEhXdxkc/btvjQtB8q7F1DyHfwcsHYX1c1dPzMy PSbA2+Io+NPtTDzHEHOJ6vFT2Q0Fo4P/TbiJjhVVM0rJ8uhUVwVEA9Majfg+ib3bx1xYXaTji FDXNpVsXK/+xVGDG3ln2xSrEMS/krug20dB2v3saj7khRz7+gjt2KWnrhScoLBOtZ2r9Es14/ SbKVDjCSkO99l4BVT4HsdTtEEG5bVhpNIe8zg8bidxPtjQesJJoya2iZduE8vgJGXMCxIUtc+ wsL/ccFeiLRS941c2MlaBGftqAC2CZqeRYQGiSOr21be+YMUvx7H0LKmGBVbuyG6rEJm7rKgL TkzKuoC1DvAQFF+wjg/JSY3pz0yCk3PXloHSwxBOIdl9z8MobdZXzee9Am5QFvYvuJY6wcdb1 uhjAibysGDjo3FiNPxbeQJ1/tZWh4DToHng6yVtmMcDF7ZkYnEI2qv+VwB00TT5S6gsdsFnrl MEiUSm94/CXhg1HOYwvnO4jjE3HjXrMgIzLF7kB3zFB8t1vS7qNIErLyDiVqcuLjgSvoWXPeR KULtMPoOZzrvet5YmRu5PfF/74uYEoqTlD0zxFD0LVWRhpCT70DNHa1WtyId5BMyOvx38UBGx 3XCzXA== Subject: [Bloat] sad news... X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2023 14:37:06 -0000 ...it seems the evenroute closed shop, see: https://evenroute.com they were IMHO a trail blazer in turning what we learned about bloat and = how to ameliorate into a product that one could recommend one's not = tech-affine family members in good conscience. But even in this state they still seem to act exemplary, in posting = information how users can switch to upstream OpenWrt. That leaves only few options, covering the same group of users...=20 Regards sebastian=