From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70F273B2A4 for ; Fri, 24 May 2024 08:04:12 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1716552250; x=1717157050; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=ZNcMVfgiLjb+LjY/MK/YUYK4ZdNWI/W/b97KDSMdHZk=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From: In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id: References:To:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from: message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject:to; b=L564nMRaVx0J0p1fZnk0UnP7qKmSA7kS5oJGbqXTlCdsYu419r+9CRoFjJJPdTJQ J8yVv1GIzHdN27olAK4Ld1afoM9yd8BLHdHQY91KKJd0rzHYr38GaC7gQhzVq/W3Z dmvLu0s0Q2Tq2cgKzHCKWtgWwmIgKOUkGbzGsAmc7S5iALCSIl4i/jNKgE0ggenG6 eope3hgBXwyvSwp1oRP4D6BWy5fw70xTXwpGAE0pbyffTkRqZDzeXNcz9tF8l4HdV spx5hqsedC7YQ9sRbJayegPJIeCGK1PrS1OojdYTWH/MxFv3I4rb+U+xaWq7LSxdH h8EMhLIyKre17JNv4Q== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from smtpclient.apple ([134.76.241.253]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MqaxU-1snzOE1xFg-00q6pH; Fri, 24 May 2024 14:04:10 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.600.62\)) From: Sebastian Moeller In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 14:03:59 +0200 Cc: bloat Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Frantisek Borsik X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.600.62) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:+YhxiJh8T+DHyYOZ7J4lRje36tt2SH1LxwBg8WL56xAJVdWM82d U/Tw8Wm1FddCfI2KDarRrchK15joptpUua1Xo7ITh5ZZZIQnQf4Wp0epPQ0J23974F2BkkU auQHIoRfo1nO6eHLLvj90iSbJaG25zwNPT3hiJHJdTH8Lor8UEQ9qT3d0Xq9G8p1AxD3lQb gjv1s1/VOW0ESXb2YWBbA== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:r93znXzsk3Q=;jItOAhpAdpQyUNqSx9WA1xQZNZj eJ0tCNo/gsNn72EAEd3IOrvkavn2axYKpyKXJrCP+2kDsoSpHMCTy4YMjLGiTKv4SoDnkCPSO jTGBtSvIsQiYCaslI/wdeVavPHIK6HpYPmYwoS2Ip+HVzzDFUviIxmFcsG1plmRptRxZjLw+D e4UsGcvYD4cCTAcsmeiI6He5C0wE3S6qTUelBI/m5vqIjok7NaL/71iX+MVRamRdfrGHlgUR4 spD5f0xjZ+b8hKqV/imX6Hw4JTcAMIpX9YLE6YaORHB5QeQp0Xtu9IeDeWY0xLjm5SVDtsZNp ZHERSJKmhF+jmA1sLyrsoggruIds1gWy2rB4m83I8QhPz4zdV3B0hVUXekjBV4thxU5Rlu+6l QK/k3mQtW5syERKMPMBZsUmnbpIGukMa+u/ziJ6e5KaNnCbg0yOWMbo48LQBkFCQCSf3LhxlE 6yJx8sxNN5eII6a5VLmMg/bDkTNezHLPKmDQ9hv24sSp244XSFxLnJAeFNcTPEaICOkXapAQZ 2jXakJ0SqdDfO1mZrK5+MHEa047j92nHgNnIVC/OSJfnd3N60ni/8ypOlBatx4bDs3BErqZ1B /dvzAw0Y5URl7dG/xOrzN+bkUkBQw56hCEgP/hWnWDf627A0qpPw7YFwXcfHQVcYhIt3/Wxl/ YXto+RfAb+upbINgNlj98YH/USMypgZamkaIaZMSRGD+GXS0OoHYUHppXxU2qe2OaKLMLIVEb ba8JIhvs/3TrmpQ7YSeQH+eHAHjupHD8wyPBk+19iVaO1SdpErp2dp6eOa49dEBhMWeL99/4J cIeLXqkF/yb1YKGPlcfRN5sfFzB6yIvbSJMfmV7xjgBv0= Subject: Re: [Bloat] "New analysis of Cloudflare Aggregated Internet Measurement (AIM) data from NetForecast, leveraging open Measurement Lab backend" X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 12:04:12 -0000 Thanks: > On 24. May 2024, at 13:41, Frantisek Borsik via Bloat = wrote: >=20 > = https://www.netforecast.com/wp-content/uploads/NFR5150_NetForecast-ISP-Per= formance-Report-2024.pdf Not sure what to make out of this though: "The chart for download latency among Germany's leading ISPs reveals = significant variability and performance differences. Hetzner stands out with a notably high median = latency of 190 ms, considerably higher than its peers, reflecting its unique position with potentially = larger variations in network performance, as indicated by its high standard deviation (87 ms) and = wide interquartile range (IQR) stretching from 144 ms to 258 ms. In contrast, Deutsche Telekom and = Telefonica show similar median latencies around 75 ms, with Deutsche Telekom displaying a slightly = wider IQR (48 ms) compared to Telefonica (44 ms), suggesting a broader distribution of latency values = among its users. Versatel (1&1) presents the lowest median latency at 37 ms, paired with a relatively = compact IQR (35 ms), indicating more consistent and potentially efficient network performance. Vodanet, = despite a median latency (42 ms) comparable to Deutsche Telekom and Telefonica, exhibits higher = standard deviation (51 ms)." My point is hetzner is a hoster, not an ISP, let alone a leading ISP... = now I consider numbers from hosters quite interesting, but I do have = reservations if a study paints with too broad a brush. I will be careful to interpret any other data in there (in spite of = liking the carefully statistical representations and tests, but if the = inputs are garbage... GIGO still applies). >=20 > Originally shared by Jason Livingood on Twitter/X: > https://x.com/jlivingood/status/1793664523557286216 > His thread contains some additional reading. >=20 > All the best, >=20 > FrankFrantisek (Frank) Borsik > https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik > Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714=20 > iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 > Skype: casioa5302ca > frantisek.borsik@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat