From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-lf0-x229.google.com (mail-lf0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38E9A3B2A2 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 14:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-lf0-x229.google.com with SMTP id t196so70770428lff.3 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:56:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=ULay3A3LOK5E9h9zuVC96OIHbYW+qoEIzex9bQ84pZ8=; b=CeaUC0L4kwnJ2mjcropqIxRL6WipTyFApXUbESJN7yH64yHJSH/OlndpmNPDZia09f gT0MRyMthm5IKA9zYkARTWoHntZCNpLGfnYuhCNebD0e3I+ze7+SgPOP0lEVDEPxtwjg kul+0aHOFPm9efx+3mHV2uBr4q3BuIRxdFRsSjaTRjAXq6f//3f8PSiStUMboWNEC4Ax HE4ZJUeNzfor4cV+kItemJj8aTBMCN0tMa0mP4wmVas7jdpxhFNhqnk59zRnuMLnZczt TlRW80RUQ/aKXMlM9QyVK17jY5C/Nizc6RvRJa0eZTJaICtkCQWfxuXMerRRIsNzqW6Y bUAg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=ULay3A3LOK5E9h9zuVC96OIHbYW+qoEIzex9bQ84pZ8=; b=lWnVzDKp93aedKGOm5bihV11vGAwg7oNqn3t84K+wEpnSJgvfL9MGO9k0L+8ZjxLb+ HQGPeVGD8+ywHnp9DqzOXIYGhSUBbvYmwNnDIlMgzqULCLI68S/+EVypJKstX330KcK8 sZrtr9uJ73GlExqHu+zCmXYdwObOxeoNIIXu7wxYKV5vc0iPPxC1SSQWPpRt0lsLkub8 RIs40wsGXwfWe1erb3SgLhQlOC+lhbW55JE/DNvJMpbJ6d9acATtr+tiWmDgtWUgHpbI NvP5w9S6bM+AQ/LWR36mgu6+wjSNyt7zSrKTFGXdQLQdxG3aDjyYlPYl77l9SqinDI1Y x9Gg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC01RRcnbjX5805MeMDxVhxpK1DgxfixYZMWXsMMNshE3PdWbHNeFEzyzw2qcEZntpQ== X-Received: by 10.25.21.205 with SMTP id 74mr5733262lfv.138.1480190188654; Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:56:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.100.13] (37-33-82-144.bb.dnainternet.fi. [37.33.82.144]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 18sm10652971ljj.7.2016.11.26.11.56.27 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 26 Nov 2016 11:56:28 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Jonathan Morton In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 21:56:22 +0200 Cc: bloat , Jonathan Foulkes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Rich Brown X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Subject: Re: [Bloat] COTS router with OpenWrt X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 19:56:30 -0000 > On 26 Nov, 2016, at 16:08, Rich Brown wrote: >=20 > His "secret sauce" is an auto-update facility and improved setup = software, which includes a rate-detection step that operates continually = to adjust the fq_codel parameters to the actual line rate. You can take = a look at IQrouter.com, or look them up on Amazon. >=20 > This might be a solution to our current conundrum about not having an = easy solution that solves our family's networking problem. I'm going to = get one of these and try it out. Excellent. He=E2=80=99s using DSLreports for the quality testing, which is always a = good sign. After turning off my webcache, I get a nice =E2=80=9CA=E2=80=9D= grade over here while running through my custom Cake setup, and a big = fat =E2=80=9CF=E2=80=9D grade with Cake turned off. Just as it should = be, given my connection. With the webcache left on, though, I just get errors, not results. That = might be something to get fixed. I think we can rally around this device, if it works as well as = advertised (and it should). I know of a handful of well-placed people = who could potentially try out and endorse it, but I would like to see = some of us trying it out before I involve them. - Jonathan Morton