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From: Kevin Gross <kevin.gross@avanw.com>
To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net
Subject: Re: [Bloat] Burst Loss
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 23:00:38 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=LyPBRsOXxw=VWrXi7BbELnhbtXg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DD9A464-8845-49AA-ADC4-A0D36D91AAEC@cisco.com>

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One of the principal reasons jumbo frames have not been standardized is due
to latency concerns. I assume this group can appreciate the IEEE holding
ground on this. For a short time, servers with gigabit NICs suffered but
smarter NICs were developed (TSO, LRO, other TLAs) and OSs upgraded to
support them and I believe it is no longer a significant issue.

Kevin Gross

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com> wrote:

>
> On May 9, 2011, at 11:06 AM, Rick Jones wrote:
>
> > GSO/TSO can be thought of as a symptom of standards bodies (eg the IEEE)
> > refusing to standardize an increase in frame sizes.  Put another way,
> > they are a "poor man's jumbo frames."
>
> I'll agree, but only half; once the packets are transferred on the local
> wire, any jumbo-ness is lost. GSO/TSO mostly squeezes interframe gaps out of
> the wire and perhaps limits the amount of work the driver has to do. The
> real value of an end to end (IP) jumbo frame is that the receiving system
> experiences less interrupt load - a 9K frame replaces half a dozen 1500 byte
> frames, and as a result the receiver experiences 1/5 or 1/6 of the
> interrupts. Given that it has to save state, activate the kernel thread, and
> at least enqueue and perhaps acknowledge the received message, reducing
> interrupt load on the receiver makes it far more effective. This has the
> greatest effect on multi-gigabit file transfers.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-05-13  4:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-26 17:05 [Bloat] Network computing article on bloat Dave Taht
2011-04-26 18:13 ` Dave Hart
2011-04-26 18:17   ` Dave Taht
2011-04-26 18:28     ` dave greenfield
2011-04-26 18:32     ` Wesley Eddy
2011-04-26 19:37       ` Dave Taht
2011-04-26 20:21         ` Wesley Eddy
2011-04-26 20:30           ` Constantine Dovrolis
2011-04-26 21:16             ` Dave Taht
2011-04-27 17:10           ` Bill Sommerfeld
2011-04-27 17:40             ` Wesley Eddy
2011-04-27  7:43       ` Jonathan Morton
2011-04-30 15:56       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-04-30 19:18       ` [Bloat] Goodput fraction w/ AQM vs bufferbloat Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-05 16:01         ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-05 16:10           ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-05 16:30             ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-05 16:49             ` [Bloat] Burst Loss Neil Davies
2011-05-05 18:34               ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-06 11:40               ` Sam Stickland
2011-05-06 11:53                 ` Neil Davies
2011-05-08 12:42               ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-09 18:06                 ` Rick Jones
2011-05-11  8:53                   ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-11  9:53                     ` Eric Dumazet
2011-05-12 14:16                       ` [Bloat] Publications Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-12 16:31                   ` [Bloat] Burst Loss Fred Baker
2011-05-12 16:41                     ` Rick Jones
2011-05-12 17:11                       ` Fred Baker
2011-05-13  5:00                     ` Kevin Gross [this message]
2011-05-13 14:35                       ` Rick Jones
2011-05-13 14:54                         ` Dave Taht
2011-05-13 20:03                           ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers (was: RE: Burst Loss) Kevin Gross
2011-05-14 20:48                             ` Fred Baker
2011-05-15 18:28                               ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-15 20:49                                 ` Fred Baker
2011-05-16  0:31                                   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-16  7:51                                     ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-16  9:49                                       ` Fred Baker
2011-05-16 11:23                                         ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers Jim Gettys
2011-05-16 13:15                                           ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-16 13:22                                             ` Jim Gettys
2011-05-16 13:42                                               ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-16 15:23                                                 ` Jim Gettys
     [not found]                                               ` <-854731558634984958@unknownmsgid>
2011-05-16 13:45                                                 ` Dave Taht
2011-05-16 18:36                                             ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-16 18:11                                         ` [Bloat] Jumbo frames and LAN buffers (was: RE: Burst Loss) Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-17  7:49                               ` BeckW
2011-05-17 14:16                                 ` Dave Taht
     [not found]                           ` <-4629065256951087821@unknownmsgid>
2011-05-13 20:21                             ` Dave Taht
2011-05-13 22:36                               ` Kevin Gross
2011-05-13 22:08                           ` [Bloat] Burst Loss david
2011-05-13 19:32                         ` Denton Gentry
2011-05-13 20:47                           ` Rick Jones
2011-05-06  4:18           ` [Bloat] Goodput fraction w/ AQM vs bufferbloat Fred Baker
2011-05-06 15:14             ` richard
2011-05-06 21:56               ` Fred Baker
2011-05-06 22:10                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-07 16:39                   ` Jonathan Morton
2011-05-08  0:15                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-05-08  3:04                       ` Constantine Dovrolis
2011-05-08 13:00                 ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-08 12:53               ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-08 12:34             ` Richard Scheffenegger
2011-05-09  3:07               ` Fred Baker

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