From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wy0-f171.google.com (mail-wy0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 803E2201A58 for ; Sun, 29 May 2011 21:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb32 with SMTP id 32so3456853wyb.16 for ; Sun, 29 May 2011 21:24:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5NFh+w9LfDnUPcn8tL6qM2qEtv0bdSmjqI4L878LZ70=; b=RKNKDlxGL1S5vCPACQX6rbiTh+FHgKP0hr1kMlMsY8uiqpzIQoJfOfQGBPKSpAYkWy 2YVXioZPnccv6NfS/VBQMNo+dxd8heB2B9aASi/fxGn+8Y4tcvmDXqLxACoIroMqVyly lqfO+oNs9e6f9zwPxwmPlRCmecKkaD0nmz8iA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=lh9o95jcovJRJpvB29ibscHSYckVXjGf+Iw5/pviWGRV3jieOTsXA5rESb8MUZtdhb yMFlw0CpKpHnJwFGB9PQvE72km17eBJLg9sM3V7Yrgoh6STBBkWeuGm/BDUrFhhLAI7y Pv36NmeHG2vX/q8Qs3Vs76BYL30pNxV49nDcA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.177.4 with SMTP id c4mr2233301wem.3.1306729496257; Sun, 29 May 2011 21:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.185.13 with HTTP; Sun, 29 May 2011 21:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 21:24:56 -0700 Message-ID: From: "George B." To: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [Bloat] philosophical question X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 04:08:54 -0000 Ok, say I have a network with no over subscription in my net. I have 10G to the internet but am only using about 2G of that. This is the server side of a network talking to millions of clients. The clients in this case are on "lossy" wireless networks where packet loss is not an indication of congestion so much as it is an indication that the client moved 15 feet behind a pole and had poor network connectivity for a few minutes. The idea being that in today's internet, packet loss is not a good indication of congestion. Often it just means that the radio signal has been briefly interrupted. What I need is something that can tell the difference between real congestion and radio loss. ECN seems to be the way forward in that respect. But assuming my network, as a server of content is not over subscribed, what would you suggest as the best qdisc for such a traffic profile? In other words, I am looking at this from the server aspect rather than from the client aspect. g