From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6ECA8201A7A for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wwk4 with SMTP id 4so4847984wwk.28 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:28:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ktceJZyIa2xjI9aX+r7SuBIO9cHv229sl1nh+qQsx3s=; b=sTu5WvFTsNkYRel1jJ04NNM6VoxsWx6JQyb26DPtOxLhmmOEH2HMMdDOUVGUJBizZj Pq0lHpWSiGHYPAHVejFjx0V7nPBRME9RiOlIeNkoKr8WI+gxm/kVQIwZB+JBU5LiTqiE ok0PswxFEwp0wOsB4lLblpotgxZeKUlj6x7nI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wQFD85r3W0WDdJHNtax1WnMREmlwiuhU4TKzbULIBLhRdkWmGyXJxj3mLOd+Td7qvC ufOXLfSvxqIGhGg/A9odmBGJ3CnF35MGCEi1DI7a7p6ujoy6kzKUcU5wbiAS3yBWg8wq r2BW7uSFrOWGMNK+xkC6CNaYWH2VePNaqBevE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.142.224 with SMTP id i74mr7047539wej.3.1306870138300; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.185.13 with HTTP; Tue, 31 May 2011 12:28:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 12:28:58 -0700 Message-ID: From: "George B." To: Bill Sommerfeld Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] philosophical question X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:12:10 -0000 > Philosophical rhetorical question: If the bottlenecks are all outside > your network, where do you expect a queue to build up? =A0Where are you > storing packets that can't be sent right away? > > I'd think the TCP congestion control algorithms would be the thing to > worry about, rather than qdiscs... Yeah, that's where I'm leaning, too. westwood+ combined with the tcp-thin should be the ticket, I would thing. George