From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.google.com (smtp-out.google.com [216.239.44.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0F8C201A38 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kpbe19.cbf.corp.google.com (kpbe19.cbf.corp.google.com [172.25.105.83]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id p3RHAVAG000654 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:10:32 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1303924232; bh=Kb959uGyCPyM23NhCtCtI+y8u/o=; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From: To:Cc:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Uvs8cpeoC0nGev1+8IMA22XBDV5tOgc1I1YCPR6Ufuqm8ZX5NdtMEa66tBz5+xXxn Hj9VCESRmz9iKOm6hBvNA== Received: from qyk36 (qyk36.prod.google.com [10.241.83.164]) by kpbe19.cbf.corp.google.com with ESMTP id p3RH5Tp4019205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:10:30 -0700 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36so2605739qyk.18 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:10:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=O/Yld7iDdqXju4Lk+f6wX9sfxQ+OjYRVvxCJ80YEWUc=; b=jjFh5uFYCiYuPLrQq4XXR1OiQBR0B4JfbWbKBKfGUUwMevRBhZAfRrONj5K0L6QwBB QLK58MvVyRYXuwyoCpfQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=google.com; s=beta; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=oWfFYc9tXGqQmsJPnP4Q2YW9Sk42/RKUU3Mz3+pOeXejQbgkfdy9k174OHkOD/YP1B nZuwLxifeUNgUePRSDIA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.7.212 with SMTP id e20mr1911729qce.192.1303924230462; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.253.136 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:10:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DB72934.9050700@mti-systems.com> References: <4DB70FDA.6000507@mti-systems.com> <4DB72934.9050700@mti-systems.com> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:10:30 -0700 Message-ID: From: Bill Sommerfeld To: Wesley Eddy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-System-Of-Record: true Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] Network computing article on bloat X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:09:47 -0000 On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 13:21, Wesley Eddy wrote: > Ideally, you may have a path with ample bandwidth such that packet > losses don't occur and all connections are either application limited or > receive window limited and congestion control never kicks in. =A0In this > case, there's no loss and the Internet clearly works. This situation is not really "ideal" because it indicates an unbalanced system -- you've probably spent too much on link bandwidth and not enough on end system performance.