From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com (mail-iy0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A1FA201A60 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iyi20 with SMTP id 20so1256604iyi.16 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:37:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=n2PbZM6GKz+m94D4kvJxNNnwc+n+yA/JOF9avWB3u0I=; b=O/IivN7N+JRl+ZCVRuwB7ZIQQ3/7DZgoOw/PsXg9ivteqGjH9Y+GWTTVRvz0Nz5D5q Y1XwKbI1Hw1qi/H7DG2qVqcNVwlk86Pqdbr4XqDhmqOXoylxVCNO04WRmprMGxZS0SiO xn8I5DCchDWpKhY+Ka3lKja3u2OH7sO2zPX88= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qZSuxTGIFpWZ36AWI72JDH+DBDhAvzsNCG4POR8aNOzXRXTDd0OY+u1accHvUAvrTg I85mPukHSHp63Ps3furjOqSdRaKr+D1VFJEXEozta49IXqVts3HO7Ouhpe9gQaVA6yVT KeD+QA7BaHyVvTN9PgdFIo9uGpD5BeXaGibC4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.137.7 with SMTP id w7mr1469061ict.513.1303846666966; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.34.77 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:37:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DB70FDA.6000507@mti-systems.com> References: <4DB70FDA.6000507@mti-systems.com> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:37:46 -0600 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Wesley Eddy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Bloat] Network computing article on bloat X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:37:26 -0000 On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Wesley Eddy wrote: > On 4/26/2011 2:17 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >> >> "Big Buffers Bad. Small Buffers Good." >> >> "*Some* packet loss is essential for the correct operation of the >> Internet" >> >> are two of the memes I try to propagate, in their simplicity. Even >> then there are so many qualifiers to both of those that the core >> message gets lost. > > > The second one is actually backwards; it should be "the Internet can > operate correctly with some packet loss". > INCORRECT. See? We can't win, even amongst ourselves. The Internet *cannot operate correctly without packet loss*. RFC970, http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc970.html > -- > Wes Eddy > MTI Systems > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --=20 Dave T=E4ht SKYPE: davetaht US Tel: 1-239-829-5608 http://the-edge.blogspot.com