From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-iy0-f171.google.com (mail-iy0-f171.google.com [209.85.210.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E819200A92 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iyi20 with SMTP id 20so793066iyi.16 for ; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 08:51:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=+Z/NlGlEgkF9KG6yff72TtdyDwG3O8iLw9bvpGH8uB8=; b=VFpdtTULdWaeWn3vNFmAHfuBCCf/qKBgr2XPTqOBzH0azUtOEqO5DVb1r7InZBvpe1 l9vGSkIDT9nlZV/PecXvilkTQVzUkCVlqK31ZRvzXupHhtF9WCpVyG7WzKCbkA8XOn7+ QEuaZTzutgKuAZLyr0z828Ks5j8k+OpY54LIA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LoEawIyBKnv4HR9Ojac3hRbZrVBYK+HpDK9SVdT2A79pmTdixLNfWcyBBqTA46v6f9 1k7TsJkFuBqiIH1uWtLil87KPNX1aGH/mljmaNY/eGLk5OJagOX2ongCIoi9pR5TVs7J FN5g6jt0pg+3lp96Wg8m746TBZ780N/cYtuKk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.68.202 with SMTP id w10mr12018425ibi.63.1307548294644; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 08:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.13.76 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:51:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1307547908.3057.53.camel@edumazet-laptop> References: <1307537773.3057.17.camel@edumazet-laptop> <1307545032.3057.45.camel@edumazet-laptop> <1307546871.20906.223.camel@probook> <1307547908.3057.53.camel@edumazet-laptop> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 09:51:34 -0600 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Eric Dumazet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Thomas Graf , jdb@comx.dk, bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] Notes about hacking on AQMs X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 15:31:05 -0000 On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Eric Dumazet wrote= : > Le mercredi 08 juin 2011 =E0 11:27 -0400, Jesper Dangaard Brouer a =E9cri= t : > >> While this is a good coding approach, the end result is that nobody is >> using this stuff, because "tc" is so difficult to use, and its error >> feedback is so lousy that you will never figure out your small syntax >> errors. >> > > Well, I agree its really hard to even use 10% of tc features, but isnt > human brain has the same problem ? ;) > > Most people playing with AQM setups are using scripts, or even script > generators for complex/dynamic cases. And they are *all* wrong to varying extents, which is why I like the 'mondo classifier' idea for DSCP+firewalling mentioned earlier on this thread. Converging on several standards for packet marking vs the adhoc-ness of thousands of different partial solutions that now exist really makes sense to me. > > > > --=20 Dave T=E4ht SKYPE: davetaht US Tel: 1-239-829-5608 http://the-edge.blogspot.com