From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-iw0-f171.google.com (mail-iw0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority" (verified OK)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76C11201A59 for ; Tue, 3 May 2011 18:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so889149iwn.16 for ; Tue, 03 May 2011 18:52:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=8eZYGV+fMrXOQPs6WXlEFCIpmwVhj92qI6dLiFu8PS8=; b=SncPCeMBy9fOzdr/4QYdz7xpR98YVQlH5WbVuPF220pcvVpvqpVdXu4iC9dHQxIJ5R aPrRq9Q+OIXZvQvt3R9gmLtWWYxKlaryqtkMarWOJpiuDH1KG4Rm53KhFaa0AbTpFD/C Q+xXDGsU0I6Yz2aU2V9dUUGLwSUAxOH1o1qNQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=E2I9/BSCUtpqvQ6WoFTVcUMR/h20cuqwKL153f0Os6FEOZLHQVjKKhf3bvrN3wKb9n Kw+FhdodAA/42kn3OuYiq+HzH4vhilYeZvI/inQNewDSP6V9SHOpdRqIaRN36O2fvccP x1KHduR5UBypU5AejT4tPYeSgUyF/UVc/HWpo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.48.130 with SMTP id uw2mr834717icb.312.1304473973018; Tue, 03 May 2011 18:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.34.77 with HTTP; Tue, 3 May 2011 18:52:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <056f01cc09f8$6474b010$2d5e1030$@com> References: <056f01cc09f8$6474b010$2d5e1030$@com> Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 19:52:52 -0600 Message-ID: From: Dave Taht To: Dan Wing Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52994fbc7d2b304a26983c6 Cc: bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] slashdot on bufferbloat X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 01:49:09 -0000 --bcaec52994fbc7d2b304a26983c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was extremely amused to see an actual **ad** just now in my gmail account targetting bufferbloat, which ultimately after making me signup on their website (I gave my usual addresses of asdf@asdf.org, etc) Sent me to this: http://media.ciena.com/documents/ActivSpan_4200_Boosts_Competitive_Advantag= e_SS.pdf Which is actually... quite a compelling story. We seem to be making real progress on bug http://www.bufferbloat.net/issues/33 lately! But the bug counts continue to grow... if anyone has time to look over the following... http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/issues And... http://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bismark/issues On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Dan Wing wrote: > > http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/05/03/2051251/The-Insidious-Creep-of-La= ten > cy-Hell > "The Insidious Creep of Latency Hell" > > "Gamers often find 'input lag' annoying, but over the years, > delay has crept into many other gadgets with equally painful > results. Something as simple as mobile communication or > changing TV channels can suffer. Software too is far from > innocent (Java or Visual Studio 2010 anyone?), and even the > desktop itself is riddled with 'invisible' latencies which > can frustrate users (take the new Launcher bar in Ubuntu 11 > for example). More worryingly, Bufferbloat is a problem that > plagues the internet, but has only recently hit the news. > Half of the problem is that it's often difficult to pin down > unless you look out for it. As Mick West pointed out: > 'Players, and sometimes even designers, cannot always put > into words what they feel is wrong with a particular game's > controls ... Or they might not be able to tell you anything, > and simply say the game sucked, without really understanding > why it sucked.'" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bloat mailing list > Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat > --=20 Dave T=E4ht SKYPE: davetaht US Tel: 1-239-829-5608 http://the-edge.blogspot.com --bcaec52994fbc7d2b304a26983c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was extremely amused to see an actual **ad** just now in my gmail account= targetting bufferbloat,

which ultimately after making me signup on= their website (I gave my usual addresses of asdf@asdf.org, etc)

Sent me to this:

http://media.ciena.com/doc= uments/ActivSpan_4200_Boosts_Competitive_Advantage_SS.pdf

Which = is actually... quite a compelling story.

We seem to be making real progress on bug
=A0http://www.bufferbloat.net/issues/33 lately!<= br>
But the bug counts continue to grow... if anyone has time to look ov= er the following...

http://www= .bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/issues

And...

http://www.bufferbloat.= net/projects/bismark/issues


On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Dan Wing= <dwing@cisco.com> wrote:
http://news.slashdot.org/story/11= /05/03/2051251/The-Insidious-Creep-of-Laten
cy-Hell
"The Insidious Creep of Latency Hell"

=A0 =A0"Gamers often find 'input lag' annoying, but over the = years,
=A0 =A0delay has crept into many other gadgets with equally painful
=A0 =A0results. Something as simple as mobile communication or
=A0 =A0changing TV channels can suffer. Software too is far from
=A0 =A0innocent (Java or Visual Studio 2010 anyone?), and even the
=A0 =A0desktop itself is riddled with 'invisible' latencies which<= br> =A0 =A0can frustrate users (take the new Launcher bar in Ubuntu 11
=A0 =A0for example). More worryingly, Bufferbloat is a problem that
=A0 =A0plagues the internet, but has only recently hit the news.
=A0 =A0Half of the problem is that it's often difficult to pin down =A0 =A0unless you look out for it. As Mick West pointed out:
=A0 =A0'Players, and sometimes even designers, cannot always put
=A0 =A0into words what they feel is wrong with a particular game's
=A0 =A0controls ... Or they might not be able to tell you anything,
=A0 =A0and simply say the game sucked, without really understanding
=A0 =A0why it sucked.'"




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