From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from ihemail4.lucent.com (ihemail4.lucent.com [135.245.0.39]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ihemail4.lucent.com", Issuer "Entrust Certification Authority - L1C" (not verified)) by huchra.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1343A201B88 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (h135-5-2-66.lucent.com [135.5.2.66]) by ihemail4.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id r8RGnWIm021974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:49:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (us70uwxchhub02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com [135.5.2.49]) by us70uusmtp4.zam.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id r8RGnVoW013791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:49:31 -0400 Received: from US70UWXCHMBA01.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.7.152]) by US70UWXCHHUB02.zam.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.5.2.49]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:49:31 -0400 From: "Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)" To: Naeem Khademi Thread-Topic: [aqm] [Bloat] [iccrg] AQM deployment status? Thread-Index: AQHOuiQvIaBsRoEm3kaQJ8J/wbk76JnZzYlg Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:49:31 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20130925143510.GA6191@sesse.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.5.27.16] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C0611F522A6FA9498A044C36073E49656D919C86US70UWXCHMBA01z_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.39 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 15:04:37 -0700 Cc: "iccrg@irtf.org" , "aqm@ietf.org" , bloat Subject: Re: [Bloat] [aqm] [iccrg] AQM deployment status? X-BeenThere: bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: General list for discussing Bufferbloat List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:50:00 -0000 --_000_C0611F522A6FA9498A044C36073E49656D919C86US70UWXCHMBA01z_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Naeem, If you look into the document I initially sent http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/ssaroiu/publications/imc/2007= /imc2007-dischinger.pdf They show that 26% of DSL lines have RED actually deployed - and tuned on! They did not detect any RED on the cable side. -Shahid. ________________________________ From: Naeem Khademi [mailto:naeem.khademi@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:20 PM To: Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid) Cc: Steinar H. Gunderson; Eggert, Lars; iccrg@irtf.org; aqm@ietf.org; bloat Subject: Re: [aqm] [Bloat] [iccrg] AQM deployment status? Thanks Shahid Although interesting to know that (W)RED has made it into some hardware (in= your RE to Lars' point), my question is more about "deployment" at the edg= e or the core, whether it's being used or not? Cheers, Naeem On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid) > wrote: Hi Steinar and Lars, Please see below examples of support for RED/WRED from switches (from ALU a= nd Cisco websites, search for RED or WRED in document): ALU 7450: https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3= &cad=3Drja&ved=3D0CDMQFjAC&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww3.alcatel-lucent.com%2Fwps= %2FDocumentStreamerServlet%3FLMSG_CABINET%3DDocs_and_Resource_Ctr%26LMSG_CO= NTENT_FILE%3DData_Sheets%2F7450ESS_HS_MDA_ds.pdf&ei=3DpS5DUrIZiI70BLyYgYgK&= usg=3DAFQjCNGS8uB-0Ele3TpDIRqbL4p1_kd2DQ&sig2=3Dv-AgGJMpcZjrpjP2oZIHrA&bvm= =3Dbv.53077864,d.eWU ALU Omniswitch: https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3= &ved=3D0CDkQFjAC&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww3.alcatel-lucent.com%2Fwps%2FDocumen= tStreamerServlet%3FLMSG_CABINET%3DDocs_and_Resource_Ctr%26LMSG_CONTENT_FILE= %3DData_Sheets%2Fent_OS6855_datasheet_en.pdf&ei=3D9i1DUsXlOo788QTU94HQAQ&us= g=3DAFQjCNFSXSEpkFjSihK1a0pkSHhItU8sZQ&sig2=3D3fitEZLZZI7Dmf0H2T3QbQ&bvm=3D= bv.53077864,d.eWU Cisco Catalyst 6000/6500: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps5718/ps708/prod_white= _paper09186a0080131086.html Cisco Catalyst 4500: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps5718/ps4324/white_pap= er_c11-539588.html Best regards, -Shahid. -----Original Message----- From: Steinar H. Gunderson [mailto:sgunderson@bigfoot.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:35 AM To: Eggert, Lars Cc: Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid); bloat; iccrg@irtf.org; = aqm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Bloat] [iccrg] [aqm] AQM deployment status? On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 02:31:21PM +0000, Eggert, Lars wrote: >> Most routers/switches/access equipment support RFC 2309, which is a >> description of RED. > I've heard that statement from many different people. I wonder if it > is actually true. Is there any hard data on this? I don't have hard data, but my soft data is that generally, devices branded= as switches (including L3 switches) do not support it. Routers might. /* Steinar */ -- Homepage: http://www.sesse.net/ _______________________________________________ aqm mailing list aqm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/aqm --_000_C0611F522A6FA9498A044C36073E49656D919C86US70UWXCHMBA01z_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Naeem,
 
If you look into the document I i= nitially sent
 
 
They show that 26% of DSL lines have RED actually deployed -= and tuned on!
 
They did not detect any RED on the cable side.=
 
-Shahid.
From: Naeem Khademi [mailto:naeem.k= hademi@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:20 PM
To: Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)
Cc: Steinar H. Gunderson; Eggert, Lars; iccrg@irtf.org; aqm@ietf.org= ; bloat
Subject: Re: [aqm] [Bloat] [iccrg] AQM deployment status?

Thanks Shahid 

Although interesting to know that (W)RED has made it into some hardwar= e (in your RE to Lars' point), my question is more about "deployment&q= uot; at the edge or the core, whether it's being used or not?   <= /div>

Cheers,
Naeem


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Akhtar, Shahid = (Shahid) <shahid.akhtar@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
Hi Steinar and Lars,

Please see below examples of support for RED/WRED from switches (from ALU a= nd Cisco websites, search for RED or WRED in document):

ALU 7450:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&= q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&cad=3Drja&ved=3D0CDMQ= FjAC&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww3.alcatel-lucent.com%2Fwps%2FDocumentStreame= rServlet%3FLMSG_CABINET%3DDocs_and_Resource_Ctr%26LMSG_CONTENT_FILE%3DData_= Sheets%2F7450ESS_HS_MDA_ds.pdf&ei=3DpS5DUrIZiI70BLyYgYgK&usg=3DAFQj= CNGS8uB-0Ele3TpDIRqbL4p1_kd2DQ&sig2=3Dv-AgGJMpcZjrpjP2oZIHrA&bvm=3D= bv.53077864,d.eWU

ALU Omniswitch:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&am= p;esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D3&ved=3D0CDkQFjAC&url=3Dhttp%3= A%2F%2Fwww3.alcatel-lucent.com%2Fwps%2FDocumentStreamerServlet%3FLMSG_CABIN= ET%3DDocs_and_Resource_Ctr%26LMSG_CONTENT_FILE%3DData_Sheets%2Fent_OS6855_d= atasheet_en.pdf&ei=3D9i1DUsXlOo788QTU94HQAQ&usg=3DAFQjCNFSXSEpkFjSi= hK1a0pkSHhItU8sZQ&sig2=3D3fitEZLZZI7Dmf0H2T3QbQ&bvm=3Dbv.53077864,d= .eWU

Cisco Catalyst 6000/6500:

http://www.cisco.= com/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps5718/ps708/prod_white_paper09186a00801= 31086.html

Cisco Catalyst 4500:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US= /prod/collateral/switches/ps5718/ps4324/white_paper_c11-539588.html

Best regards,

-Shahid.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steinar H. Gunderson [mailto:sgunderson@bigfoot.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:35 AM
To: Eggert, Lars
Cc: Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid); bloat; iccrg= @irtf.org; aqm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Bloat] [iccrg] [aqm] AQM deployment status?

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 02:31:21PM +0000, Eggert, Lars wrote:
>> Most routers/switches/access equipment support RFC 2309, which is = a
>> description of RED.
> I've heard that statement from many different people. I wonder if it > is actually true. Is there any hard data on this?

I don't have hard data, but my soft data is that generally, devices branded= as switches (including L3 switches) do not support it. Routers might.

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